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Apparently Isles had the lowest shot total in a game 7 in NHL history.

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So let me get this straight...

Chicago beats Nashville, and as consolation, the Nashville pick can still end up in a worse draft pick position than Chicago if Chicago loses in the next round.

That makes sense to some people?

Makes sense that draft position is more a reflection of the 82 game schedule than a playoff series to me.

Well if the playoffs are that meaningless to you, then the draft order should be all set then...shouldn't it?  Line'em up 1-30.

Where did I imply they were "that meaningless"?  I said it makes sense that draft order is more a reflection of the 82 game schedule - aka not 100% a reflection of it, but that 82 games is a better reflection of the quality of all of the respective teams.  The order takes into account playoff results to a degree as well, and I think in a pretty good way.  If you won your division, chances are you're a pretty good team and not as "in need" of a higher pick, same with winning the Cup or finishing runner-up.

My hyperbole aside, to your point, Nashville is more "in need" of a higher pick than Chicago is, as a result of the playoff results.

No they aren't.  Losing doesn't make their existing team worse than it was before the playoffs started.  Just like if the Leafs beat the Bruins in 2013 it wouldn't make the Bruins more in need of a higher pick - their team would still be better.  If the idea of the draft is that worse teams should generally get the higher picks.  If you make the Cup finals there can be exceptions to that.

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So let me get this straight...

Chicago beats Nashville, and as consolation, the Nashville pick can still end up in a worse draft pick position than Chicago if Chicago loses in the next round.

That makes sense to some people?

Makes sense that draft position is more a reflection of the 82 game schedule than a playoff series to me.

Well if the playoffs are that meaningless to you, then the draft order should be all set then...shouldn't it?  Line'em up 1-30.

Where did I imply they were "that meaningless"?  I said it makes sense that draft order is more a reflection of the 82 game schedule - aka not 100% a reflection of it, but that 82 games is a better reflection of the quality of all of the respective teams.  The order takes into account playoff results to a degree as well, and I think in a pretty good way.  If you won your division, chances are you're a pretty good team and not as "in need" of a higher pick, same with winning the Cup or finishing runner-up.

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So let me get this straight...

Chicago beats Nashville, and as consolation, the Nashville pick can still end up in a worse draft pick position than Chicago if Chicago loses in the next round.

That makes sense to some people?

Makes sense that draft position is more a reflection of the 82 game schedule than a playoff series to me.

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I think that is actually the AHL rule.

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EDIT:  Exact wording.

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This would also include situations whereby the Referee stops play or is in the process of stopping the play because he has lost sight of the puck and it is subsequently determined by video review that the puck crosses (or has crossed) the goal line and enters the net as the culmination of a continuous play where the result was unaffected by the whistle (i.e., the timing of the whistle was irrelevant to the puck entering the net at the end of a continuous play).

Did they go upstairs on that one at all? Even if they did, I'm not sure they'd have overruled it. It may have even been less than a second, but I think the whistle going off before the puck was tapped in would be enough of an argument that Price and the Habs defenders could have assumed the play was dead and that may have effected the play.

Yeah, I imagine that's how it would be.  Figured I'd see if there were other opinions on it as well.  What a brutal way to go.

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If Ottawa loses by one goal tonight there is going to be some seriously murdered refs.  They blew down a play that Price never had control of and on the same sequence in the flow of the play Ottawa scored so it was a play that wasn't affected by the blown whistle.

Montreal up 1-0

So this was apparently a rule change for this season:

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* Rule 38.4 (viii) has been modified to allow broader discretion to Hockey Operations to assist the referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g., to ensure they are "good hockey goals"). The revised Rule will allow Hockey Operations to correct a broader array of situations where video review clearly establishes that a "goal" or "no goal" call on the ice has been made in error. The new expanded rule will also allow Hockey Operations to provide guidance to referees on goal and potential goal plays where the referee has blown his whistle (or intended to blow his whistle) after having lost sight of the puck.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=730165

Why wasn't that used?  Does it not apply because the puck was shot into the net instead of going in on its own?

EDIT:  Exact wording.

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(viii) The video review process shall be permitted to assist the Referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they are “good hockey goals”). For example (but not limited to), pucks that enter the net by going through the net meshing, pucks that enter the net from underneath the net frame, pucks that hit the spectator netting prior to being directed into the goal, pucks that enter the net undetected by the Referee, etc. This would also include situations whereby the Referee stops play or is in the process of stopping the play because he has lost sight of the puck and it is subsequently determined by video review that the puck crosses (or has crossed) the goal line and enters the net as the culmination of a continuous play where the result was unaffected by the whistle (i.e., the timing of the whistle was irrelevant to the puck entering the net at the end of a continuous play).

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CHL & NCAA Hockey / Re: OHL thread....
« on: Yesterday at 02:10:02 AM »
Oshawa beats North Bay 1-0 in overtime to tie their semifinal series at 1-1 going back to North Bay. In the other series, Erie leads SSM 3-2 in game 3 with the series tied 1-1.

That is an absolutely stacked SSM team.  McDavid is making them look very average.

McDavid makes everyone look average.  Soo still dominates the games, just haven't got the bounces.  Outshot Erie 10-2 in the first and trailed 2-0.  They scored on their 3rd shot too.

Soo is much better, but it's a playoff series.  Best team might not win.

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Sens got jobbed in that one.

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General NHL News & Views / Re: Round 1: Blues (C1) vs. Wild (W1)
« on: April 26, 2015, 06:03:55 PM »
I find it so hard to bank on the Blues in the playoffs.

Quoting myself for truth!

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That's awesome they're up 2-0.  From what I read on Twitter, Nylander seems to be great at running the PP.

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General NHL News & Views / 2015 World Championship
« on: April 26, 2015, 11:57:44 AM »
Might as well have a thread because Crosby just announced he'll play at the World Championships.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« on: April 26, 2015, 11:16:07 AM »
They're not saying he won't be an NHL player at all.  In fact, they say "he's most definitely a first round pick."

I was talking about the fact that they gave him the lowest success rate of the prospects that they looked at. But, that's fair. They do seem slightly more pro-Crouse than others have been. I can amend my statement to:

"There's a bunch of people out there who think that a smart player who is elite defensively at the junior level (admittedly something I'm not sure means much), an elite puck possession player by all accounts, and has some elite offensive skills won't be a very good NHLer because he possibly he had a low on-ice shooting percentage in the OHL and played on a crappy team."

I don't think that really changes the general point I'm talking about though in regards to Crouse and how people are relying too heavily on points-per-game here.

But to go back to your previous post where you mention Kocency and why he is given more benefit of the doubt than Crouse with respect to his team - it's because he has that better 16 year old PPG season that Crouse doesn't have.

All they are basically saying is that players with Crouse's points totals don't typically amount to much more than a 2nd/3rd liner in the NHL, if they amount to more then they are the exception, and a team shouldn't use a top 10 pick on him.  He might very well be worth a top 10 selection in the end, but it's basically playing the odds.  Odds are he won't be one of the exceptions to the rule - but he might be, and that's the risk a team will have to weigh.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« on: April 26, 2015, 10:51:30 AM »
They're basically admitting that they don't think a smart player who is elite defensively at the junior level (admittedly something I'm not sure means much), an elite puck possession player by all accounts, and has some elite offensive skills won't be a NHL player because he possibly he had a low on-ice shooting percentage in the OHL and played on a crappy team.

They're not saying he won't be an NHL player at all.  In fact, they say "he's most definitely a first round pick."

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General NHL News & Views / Re: Round 1: Rangers (M1) vs. Penguins (W2)
« on: April 25, 2015, 09:38:37 AM »
There go the Pens in round 1.

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