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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: Today at 04:17:07 PM »

Right now, gun to your head, would you expose Carrick or Marincin?

Handedness makes me lean toward Carrick, although if they both played the right side I'd go with Marincin.

I'm not sure I follow why you'd expose the Righty over the Lefty?  The right side is definitely our biggest question mark moving forward, so keeping Carrick over Marincin makes more sense to me all else being equal.

Depth Chart, not including AHL-ceiling guys like Loov, and guys we won't see beyond this year (Polak, Hunwick):

Left:  Reilly, Gardiner, Marincin, Valiev, Nielsen, Greenway
Right:  Zaitsev, Carrick, Corrado, Dermott

Brain-fart. In my head I was answering who I would protect, not expose. For the reasons you wrote of course.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: Today at 03:59:09 PM »

Right now, gun to your head, would you expose Carrick or Marincin?

Handedness makes me lean toward Carrick, although if they both played the right side I'd go with Marincin.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: Today at 03:51:40 PM »
The next step is going to be addressing the glut of forwards.

On an unrelated note, the Leafs have a 2nd buyout window opening on Monday for 48 hours now.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: Today at 03:47:16 PM »
Leafs announced terms in their press release, clearly a Dubas signing.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: Today at 11:20:20 AM »
I feel like there's a good chance they're hoping to pull a Winnik with Polak.

While I know this sounds strange coming from someone who didn't want the deal in the first place, I'm a little surprised it wasn't a 2-year contract. I think the extra year on Winnik's deal probably made him a little more attractive to Washington, and if they couldn't trade him then he might have been good expansion draft fodder. Who knows, Vegas might have found him more appealing than say Marincin.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: Today at 10:55:03 AM »
TLN with an article examining what Martin Marincin's next contract might look like:

Based on the comparables, it seems likely that he'll come in at around the $1mil mark.

As you'd see in the article though, there aren't really very many comparable players. Guys who score as little as Marincin does don't generally stay in the league very often. And they certainly don't generally get paid much in their contracts. I've brought this up before but I'd be perfectly fine trying to see him to a 4-year deal at something like $1.5mil. Even with the recent rise of analytical-friendly GMs in the league, guys like Marincin still aren't really getting paid what they're worth. It'd be smart to get him locked in now before that might change.

It also touches on the fact though that it's almost guaranteed that Marincin or Carrick will be exposed in the upcoming expansion draft. That'll be a bummer.

« on: Today at 10:46:24 AM »
“Phil’s not the type of person to bring the Cup to Toronto out of spite,”

You know, in some ways Phil and I are very different people.

I'm genuinely having a hard time deciding if I like Phil more or less because of that quote.

« on: Today at 10:16:57 AM »
Mirtle with a nice article on why Phil brought the Cup back to Toronto:

According to those who attended, Kessel wanted his Stanley Cup party to be a thank you to the other friends he made in Toronto, many of them from the hospitality industry. He was a regular at some of the higher-end restaurants in the downtown, and it was there that he first met many close friends during his six years playing for the Leafs.

“A lot of people were there really just to hang out with him and catch up, and have that excitement again,” said Steven Salm, president of Chase Hospitality Group, which hosted Kessel’s Stanley Cup lunch at The Chase restaurant on the afternoon of July 18 and then catered the party at Kimel’s home that night. “It was something that was so missed in Toronto. We always served as a great kind of creative outlet for him: A place to hang out and enjoy great atmosphere and good food. We got to know his dining habits and favourite likes and dislikes.”


“Phil’s not the type of person to bring the Cup to Toronto out of spite,” said Wojtek Wolski, a former NHLer who became close with Kessel during summer workouts in Toronto and who was at the Cup party. “He brought it because his friends live here. His family came to Toronto to celebrate. It made a lot of sense.”

“He did this for the people who were good to him while he was here,” said another friend, who asked not to be named. “He likes how regular Joes treated him around here. He’s a people guy.”


Those who attended Kessel’s Cup party don’t expect it will be the last they see of him in Toronto. While he grew up in Wisconsin and typically summers in Florida, he has talked a lot about buying a home and settling in the city, when the time comes.

Also, here's Steve Dangle asking Sidney Crosby a very important question:

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: Today at 10:02:33 AM »
That doesn't really line up with what Shanahan's said though:

A couple of years ago he was coming to us as a number five or six. Now he’s coming to us as a bit more of a depth guy to support some of our young players, and he understood the role he’s coming into.

So if he was coming in as a 5 or 6 a couple of years ago and now he's more of a depth guy then it sounds like he's at least a 6 or a 7 on the depth chart.  Not really someone I think they would be counting on to move the dial on the win column either way.

Admittedly, I never saw that quote before. And while the first part of it doesn't really make sense (he was never a 5/6 defenceman on the Leafs the past 2 seasons), I'd be pretty happy if he was used as more of a spare part as the quote suggests.

Although that's a lot of money to pay for a 6/7 guy (*he said through a heavy cough*).

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: Yesterday at 11:16:50 PM »

Dave Lozo ranked all thirty-one NHL teams' off-seasons:

16) Toronto Maple Leafs: You almost forgot Lou Lamoriello, who was incredibly overmatched as a GM in the salary cap era, was making decisions for the Leafs until this summer. Matt Martin isn't the criminal overpayment people are making it out to be but he serves no purpose there. The same can be said for Roman Polak, who will probably steal ice time from someone younger. Five years and $25 million for Frederik Andersen and his career .918 save percentage could go either way but seems an unnecessary expenditure for a team whose other offseason moves suggest they may tank for a second straight year. At least they gave Auston Matthews all the contract bonuses.

I think he nailed it.

You know, I've seen that thought mentioned here as well, but to me the Polak and Martin moves show that the Leafs don't want to tank another year. I would imagine that they believe those are two players who can help the Leafs win hockey games. Then there's the fact that none of none of the older core players were dealt (although hard to say if they were just unsuccessful in that attempt). And of course "upgrading" the goaltending seems to suggest they want to win more games too.

I don't necessarily think that they're going into the season with a strict goal of making the playoffs, but I also just don't really get the tanky-vibe that we had last season.

General NHL News & Views / Re: 2015-2016 NHL Thread
« on: July 27, 2016, 01:48:06 PM »
I'm pretty sure I've tried to defend Kane in the past when Winnipeg reporters were always on him for every little thing, but this is obviously in a whole other category. Will be very interesting to see how the NHL handles this.

NHL Transactions / Wings re-sign Mrazek [2 years, $4mil AAV]
« on: July 27, 2016, 11:57:16 AM »

Very good cap hit for Mrazek. He was arguably a top-10 goalie last season, or close to it. And just 24-years old.

The problem of course is that the Wings now have almost $9.3mil allotted to goaltending. And this bridge deal brings Mrazek to UFA status, so having to go for a cheaper deal now could cost them later.

edit: Still a RFA apparently, miscounted his accrued seasons from early in his career.

Speaking of Chayka/Doan, Capfriendly broke down the very interesting contract that the two sides recently agreed to:

So Doan will receive a base salary of $2,500,000 this coming season.

He also receives a signing bonus that comes to a total value of $1,376,134. Most signing bonuses are paid in a single lump sum usually on a date like July 1st or whenever the deal was signed, but Doan's signing bonus will actually be paid out annually between 2017-2022 and will be considered deferred salary that is subject to interest rates. So the final value of his signing bonuses will be $1,500,000.

Doan also has a games played bonus that has a total value of $963,438. Like his signing bonus, this will be paid out in the future (between 2018-2019) and again will be subject to interest rates so the final paid out sum would be $1,000,000.

From Capfriendly:

So what does this all mean? It means that Doan’s contract for the 2016-17 season has the following breakdown:

The result of which spawns 2 very interesting results for the Arizona Coyotes:

•The Arizona Coyotes end up with a slightly lower cap hit ($3,876,134) and annual average (AAV) ($4,839,572) as opposed to if they didn’t defer the salary and were forced to pay Shane Doan the entire $5,000,000 in the 2016-17 league year (of which Doan was seeking).
•For a team like the Arizona Coyotes operating on budget, and who at the time of the signing were at $51M in committed salary expenses for the 2016-17 season, reducing the amount of actual dollars expended from $5,000,000 to $2,500,000, while deferring the remainder to a later date is beneficial. It gives the team more flexibility, and allows them to sign the player they couldn’t afford to lose.
In the end, the Shane Doan contract is a reflection of the how smart and innovative general managers are thinking outside the box when looking at structuring new deals in a Salary Cap system and the modern day NHL.

All Sports But Hockey / Re: Adam LaRoche
« on: July 26, 2016, 07:12:18 PM »
I thought I read that the Sox said he could have his son in the clubhouse when he join them as a free agent, and then after one season they said it had to stop.

It's kind of a muddled deal but the way I understand it is that the White Sox said he could have his kid around thinking it would be the way lots of guys have their kids around at certain times but objected when they realized he meant essentially having the kid as another team member, going to away games and being around at all hours.

And if I remember correctly they didn't necessarily say "stop bringing the kid", just "stop bringing him literally everywhere".

There was also a report that said some of his teammates were starting to complain about it.

That was a very different situation, in that, it wasn't a buyout. The Kings felt Richards was in breach of his contract, and attempted to terminate it. They also still ended up paying ~2/3 of the remaining salary as part of the settlement, just structured differently than a standard buyout.

They were both situations where a team felt they were within their rights to terminate a contract and a player filed a grievance against it.

The either/or part of Richard's situation would have been with the contract is terminated and Richards received nothing or it wasn't terminated and the Kings would have been stuck with his contract until the next buy-out window (which wouldn't have been for another year). But instead of that either/or situation both sides came to a settlement, along with the NHL and NHLPA, that resulted in a measure that wasn't described in the CBA. And the Kings only ended up paying about 1/2 of his remaining salary instead of 2/3, plus they arguably received a better deal when it came to the resulting cap hit since it was spread out for much longer. All of that was individually negotiated between the two sides, not something from the CBA.

I've tried to find a more relate-able precedent for this though and while we're going back a few years a similar situation happened with the Canes and David Tanabe in 2008. Tanabe had missed half the year with a concussion but Rutherford seemed to think that the doctors would have cleared him to play (obviously 2008-concussions were taken even less seriously than 2016-concussions). Tanabe had 1 year left at $900k and his agent filed a grievance against the buyout. It took a few months but eventually both sides came to an agreement that ended up paying Tanabe a total of $850k over a 3-year span: Obviously, that's 8 years ago but I don't think anything would have really changed with the CBA that made that legal then but not now.

Like I said, I'm not saying that this is definitely what's going to happen, but it does seem within the realm of possibility.

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