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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Opening Forward Lines
« on: September 29, 2014, 01:03:36 PM »
Michael_Traikos: Carlyle says Booth out with fractured foot. Out 4 weeks.

Booth really hasn't impressed me much so far. It's early, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him in and out of the line-up anyway. This could also open up a spot for Nylander to play his 9 games before going to Sweden:


Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Opening Forward Lines
« on: September 29, 2014, 12:37:51 PM »
Who do we still have on D that's healthy for the rest of camp?  Phaneuf, Gardiner, Rielly, Percy, Polak...and I guess Robidas will be back soon?

edit: Forgot about Holzer.

Loov is still there too.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Opening Forward Lines
« on: September 29, 2014, 12:36:13 PM »
So Kontiola gets into 2 games and he's sent down but Orr/McLaren aren't?

Ignoring the whole Orr/McLaren aspect, I really don't have a problem sending Kontiola down. His game isn't NHL ready and that wasn't turning around with 1 more preseason game. Give him a month or so to adjust to the NA game with the Marlies and see where he's at. I've read a bunch of reporters say he's like KHL bound at this point, but he doesn't have a team over there and he cited family reasons as something that led him to coming to North America in the first place, so it wasn't entirely just to play in the NHL. Also, he's on a 1-way contract so he's getting paid regardless.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Opening Forward Lines
« on: September 29, 2014, 12:33:05 PM »
I just can't believe they're keeping Orr/McLaren over Bodie.

It really is amazing. Last season it seemed like whenever Bodie was in the line-up at the same time as one of those two he was playing higher in the line-up than them. But if there was only room for one on the 4th line it was Bodie sitting or going to the Marlies. It's like they think that Bodie is a better 3rd liner than Orr but Orr is a better 4th liner than Bodie.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Opening Forward Lines
« on: September 29, 2014, 10:14:37 AM »
I'm not sure. My opinion isn't based on anything tangible, but I get the hunch that Lupul will be trending down in terms of offensive production and JvR is trending up.

As you've noted, it's difficult to determine if that's a result of JvR's increased time with Kessel both in even strength and PP. JvR also doesn't a large enough body of work to make any strong predictions.

In the end, they're probably close enough it doesn't make a difference.

Last season JVR scored 61 points playing basically exclusively with Kessel both at EV and on the PP. Lupul was on pace to score 52 points last season. Kadri was his centre for just over 50% of his EV ice-time and his opposite winger rotated between Clarkson, Raymond, and Kulemin. He also primarily played on the 2nd powerplay unit, again without Kessel.

Now, I think JVR is a fantastic player in his own right. I don't think he's being carried by Kessel like I would say Bozak is. But I think JVR clearly had a huge offensive advantage playing with Kessel last season, and Lupul was able to keep that points gap pretty darn close. I think that gap would have been larger in Lupul's favour if they swapped spots last season. And this is all just from an offensive standpoint. JVR is clearly the much better defensive player, it's not even close there.

Is Kontiola going to play this game?  How Orr has got into more preseason games than him is...ugh (think he's only been in 2?).

Seems like 3 to 2 in Orr's favour right now, but on back-to-back nights Kontiola will almost certainly be playing after sitting last night.

Just two more games till we can start actually caring!

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Opening Forward Lines
« on: September 28, 2014, 11:46:17 AM »
Carrick wouldn't be there over Santorelli

Yeah, I'd add Santorelli to the locks list. It's just unknown if he'll be on the wing or down the middle.


Lines from Siegel:




If they're looking at making some changes here this year then he's certainly one I'd pass on to try a different type of guy.

I don't think Booth or Frattin, the two players Ashton is competing with, are really different types of players. They're actually pretty similar.

And just like last season when he played most of his minutes with McClement and Orr.

Right. I thought Spott might have been able to get Ashton a look with Holland at camp, since the two played together in the playoffs with the Marlies, but so far nothing.

Anyone think Ashton is still in the mix?

He's still below Booth and Frattin in the pecking order I think. Right there with Bodie, but should be ahead of Orr. He hasn't really stood out in camp, but in the two preseason games his opposite winger has been Biggs and Orr, so he's still in a tough spot.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Training Camp Thread
« on: September 26, 2014, 01:31:45 PM »
Interesting that Jacob Markstrom is on waivers in Vancouver.

Yeah. Of all the players on waivers today, he's probably the most likely to be claimed. My guess is he clears, though. The timing is in Vancouver's favour here, as most teams have 3 or 4 goalies in camp right now, and very few are unsettled at the position. His NHL numbers are also pretty uninspiring.

Was thinking maybe Winnipeg but yeah not sure who else would put in a claim right now.

Not sure how comfortable New Jersey is with Clemmenson/Wedgewood/Kinkaid as their back-up. Plus it'd be funny to see them get another former Canuck (kinda) in net.

Carrick's play has been good. I also like his fearless, in your face approach. He'll be in tough to make the team though IMO.

He's somebody who I can see quickly becoming a Randy favourite though, which will really help obviously. And Spott liked him too from the Marlies. It all depends on what happens with Kontiola and Santorelli though. If Kontiola doesn't work out it opens up a spot at centre, which will either be filled by Santorelli or a Marlie. If the team decides to keep Santorelli on the wing at that point, then I think the 4C position is Carrick's to lose.


Projected line-up:




That forward group is the closest we've gotten to what we might see opening day (guys in bold). Heck, even Carrick might surprise and get that 4th line centre spot given his and Kontiola's play.

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