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Willingness to stand up for somebody and leadership are quite different things.

And even "willingness to stand up for somebody" doesn't exactly describe what Clarkson did. Again I'd guess every single one of the Leafs on the bench would have stood up for Kessel if they could have.

It's not the best analogy. If you have better one, feel free to share.

Honestly I'd say it's more like after a school yard fight while the situation is being disfused by teachers and fellow students and one of the onelookers jumps in from the surrounding circle and starts trying to get things going again.

It's not like Kessel was being ganged up on and nobody else was standing up for him.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: RFA Contract Talks Thread
« on: July 19, 2014, 11:28:19 AM »
I've got a feeling the arbitrator is going to be much more convinced of Franson's arguement. I don't see how you can make the case that he's worth $2mil.

If it were a schoolyard fight, for instance, and you knew you would get suspended from school for jumping in and sticking up for your friend who was attacked by the schoolyard bully, as a parent, I'd have a hard time telling my kid he was wrong to do it.

There were 4 other guys willing to stick up for Kessel on the ice already. 5 if you count Bernier. I'm sure to a man every single player on the bench wanted to jump on the ice too at that point but they weren't dumb enough to do it. If anything Clarkson's decision was just selfish.

And you know what, I wouldn't be so hard on Clarkson in this instance if he went out and pounded the living daylights out of John Scott. But all he was able to do was yell at him from a few feet closer.

IMO. Other then being a stupid call on Clarkson's decision to jump off the bench to begin with. I imagine that most fans here thought he showed leadership standing up for Kessel. 

Is that why all the best leaders do it so often?

We do have incidents when Clarkson should his good character.  I bet the locker room loved him after he left the bench to help kessel.


Oh please tell me this is all clever sarcasm.

General NHL News & Views / Re: 2014-2015 NHL Thread
« on: July 17, 2014, 09:01:09 PM »
I wonder how rare that is comparatively though. I mean, in the last two seasons/off-seasons the Leafs did the Gunnarson trade and the Bernier trade but any others? I suppose Liles/Gleason qualifies technically but I have to assume that 90% of trades these days are either player/picks or player/non-nhl player type deals.

The article states that the Jets are the only team to not complete a player for player trade during that time period, and the Wings, Bruins, and Penguins were close with just one.

If we go back to Burke's last year (because Cheveldayoff was hired June 2011) you could add the Franson/Lombardi for Lebda deal (I guess Lebda was technically a NHL player) and the Schenn for JVR deal.

General NHL News & Views / Re: 2014-2015 NHL Thread
« on: July 17, 2014, 08:10:16 PM »
It's not entirely true. He's made a couple really really minor player for player moves.

The article he's talking about said he hasn't made a NHL player for NHL player trade yet, which is true.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: RFA Contract Talks Thread
« on: July 17, 2014, 10:07:08 AM »
I would be quite happy with him signed to Gunderson money 3 mil a year for 4 -5 years. But IMO 4-5 mil a years is two much.

Sure you would be, we all would be. But he's easily worth $3mil right now. In 3-5 years it'll be much higher, so there's no way he locks himself in at that rate for that long.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: RFA Contract Talks Thread
« on: July 16, 2014, 04:26:28 PM »
Both are very good deals.  Both are less than Colton Orr.  Sigh.  It leaves the Leafs with around 11 million dollars to sign RFAs - Reimer, Gardiner and Franson.  They could still be somewhat tight up against the cap depending on arbitration/a long-term deal for Gardiner if they end up doing something like:  Franson 1 year 3M, Gardiner 4 years 3.75M, Reimer 1 year 3M or something like that but they should be able to manage it with a little room to spare.

Even with those signings, the Leafs would have over $1mil in cap space with a 23-man roster. Considering the mess they were in last season Claude Loiselle must be doing back-flips.

And of course it's still possible one or both of Franson/Reimer get traded or Gardiner gets a cheaper short-term contract.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: RFA Contract Talks Thread
« on: July 16, 2014, 04:07:57 PM »
1 way, $775K each year I'm reading on twitter.

Great to have him locked up at that for 2 years.

Former Leafs: Ex-Files / Re: Lombardi signs with Rangers
« on: July 16, 2014, 11:41:45 AM »
Surprised to see how successful of a year he had overseas, even if it was just in the Swiss league.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: RFA Contract Talks Thread
« on: July 16, 2014, 11:36:29 AM »

Carter Ashton takes his QO. 1 year at $850 000. 2 way contract. #mapleleafs #tvasports

I expect Holland to do the same, or maybe he'll negotiate a Colborne-type deal where he gets a one-way contract for less than his QO.

Also, RE: Ribeiro, there's this:

Poile said Ribeiro sought out the Predators, not the other way around. He visited the city over the last four days and found a house. The Predators and Ribeiro nailed down the contract late Monday, Poile said.

Yeah, Riberio has a chance to play on their top line and have James Neal on his wing. In Toronto he'd probably have to at least start at 3C behind Bozak and Kadri.

NHL Transactions / Re: 2014-2015 Minor Trades and Signings Thread
« on: July 15, 2014, 02:39:09 PM »
Nashville's going to be a very different looking team next season with no Trotz and Roy, Ribero, Jokinen, and Neal up front.

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