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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bernier's Arbitration Case
« on: Today at 11:29:43 AM »
If they think they can get the one year deal at arbitration at, say, 4 million and Bernier wants 5, there's nothing to be gained by them by meeting in the middle if the plan is ultimately to trade him.

If the plan is to trade him it makes even more sense for them to try and get his cap hit to be as low as humanly possible. Every penny counts at the deadline for some teams and of course the Leafs have already used 2 of their 3 retention spots and might need to use another on one of their many other pending UFAs.

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Ya, that was lazy of me. Took about 20 seconds to look it up in the CBA.  :)

Also, max. salary of $70k in the AHL (though the junior-eligible players wouldn't be allowed of course); all ELCs are two-way contracts.

So, a rookie like Marner could potentially make up to $92,500 in a signing bonus and then play in junior. Not too bad for an 18 year old. Plus a few thousand for each day on the NHL roster.

It's kind of funny that both Nylander and Kapanen could potentially earn more on one-day than they would throughout the rest of the season ($92,500 signing bonus vs. $70,000 annual salary in the AHL).

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Am I right to assume that the bonuses on ELCs are capped? Otherwise they can circumvent the intention by paying them a large bonus even if they only play a handful of games.

Signing bonuses are capped, yeah. To a maximum of 10% of the players NHL salary (which is capped at $925k).

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bernier's Arbitration Case
« on: Today at 11:07:15 AM »
I'm thinking that the Leafs are trying to strong-arm Bernier into that team friendly 3'ish year deal, and are using the insecurity of a 1 year arbitration award deal alternative to do so.

This close to UFA though it's really Bernier that holds more power I think. Especially since a) Reimer is a UFA next summer too so the Leafs could go from having 2 decent goalies to none and b) even if he doesn't have a banner season Bernier will likely be the most attractive goalie on the market next summer so any "friendly" long-term deal the Leafs would be trying to strong-arm him into would probably be exceeded next July.

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Hypotheically, if he is on the roster all year but only plays in 9 games, would he collect all his money and have his ELC slide?

Yeah. The 9-game rule is pretty black & white, and I'm pretty sure the NHLPA would have something to say if a player on a NHL roster wasn't getting paid.

My previous reply to Joe was technically wrong too I think. Even if he spent just a day on the Leafs roster during the regular season he would get paid for that day when paycheques are mailed out.

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OK thx... I get bonuses... But his yearly salary wouldn't start till his in the NHL right?

Right. I think it's October 15th when players get their first paycheque of the season. So he'd have to still be with the Leafs at that point to get that.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs sign Mitch Marner to 3-year ELC
« on: Yesterday at 06:12:53 PM »
Maybe this is a stupid question but he doesn't collect any of his elc until he plays in the NHL?

He would collect any signing bonuses scheduled to be paid out on a certain date.

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That's the point.  Even if the article dates back to April, it's worth a read.  That is all.

But it's actually not worth reading if the data posted in it isn't valid anymore. After more than 2 home games, are people still reacting negatively towards the turf? Are there still stats that back up the idea that the turf is having an impact on the BABIP at Rogers Centre, or are the stats posted in the article just a case of using an incredibly small sample size? Has the team made any changes in the past 3 months to improve the turf? 

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bernier's Arbitration Case
« on: Yesterday at 12:36:47 PM »
One thing to keep in mind: assuming that he gets a 1-year deal now, either through arbitration or the two sides working it out on their own, Bernier will be a UFA next summer.

I thought I read that arbitration can only result in a 1-year deal for him.

Correct. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I just meant that a 1-year deal could still be had even without arbitration.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bernier's Arbitration Case
« on: Yesterday at 11:08:37 AM »
One thing to keep in mind: assuming that he gets a 1-year deal now, either through arbitration or the two sides working it out on their own, Bernier will be a UFA next summer.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bernier's Arbitration Case
« on: Yesterday at 10:39:18 AM »
I don't really care one-way or the other on what he gets paid.  The Leafs have enough cap space to pay him 5 million.  My concern is that I'm not sold that Bernier is a definite #1 goaltender that can win a Stanley Cup/be a regular contender.  If he's being paid 5 million through the rebuild now it makes a long-term contract extension more expensive later.  So if the Leafs do want to commit to him later on he's going to be considerably more expensive that a guy like Holtby at 6 million.

I don't see him getting more than $6mil on a long-term deal. Holtby, Schneider, Varlamov, Bishop, Crawford and Fleury are all better than Bernier (or at least have the hardware in their corner) and they all recently signed for $5.75-6.1mil. Holtby's deal in particular really puts a cap on his limit I think. Unless Bernier wins the Vezina this season there's just no way he gets more than him.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs sign Mitch Marner to 3-year ELC
« on: Yesterday at 10:02:04 AM »
Tuesday’s contract signing was not the first time new Maple Leafs general manager Lou Lamoriello had met the club’s top draft pick, Mitch Marner.

Both recalled a frantic NHL draft day in Florida a month ago, when Lamoriello was still in charge of the New Jersey Devils and Marner’s fate was unknown until the first-round roll call began that evening. Choosing seventh, three picks after the Leafs, Lamoriello interviewed the right winger/centre of the London Knights in case he would still be available.

“It was about a five or 10-minute talk, he was very nice and there was a lot of the usual draft interview tactics,” Marner recalled. “I met Lou again today and he was joking ‘I had to switch teams to finally get you’. ”


http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/28/leafs-sign-first-round-pick-marner

Was that really Lou telling a joke or should Marner be afraid for his safety right now?

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: 2015 Toronto Blue Jays thread
« on: Yesterday at 09:50:24 AM »
Just for those who may not have noticed, there's been a new subsection of the forum opened up devoted to Blue Jay talk: http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?board=26.0

You might find a bit more discussion of the team over there.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bernier's Arbitration Case
« on: Yesterday at 09:45:35 AM »
The Leafs ask is actually the minimum that they were allowed to come up with (85% of Bernier's previous salary).

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bernier's Arbitration Case
« on: Yesterday at 09:35:25 AM »
Usually the team goes very low, the player goes very high, and the arbitrator picks a number basically in the middle (making arbitration a pretty pointless situation but whatever). Bernier's ask here though is actually pretty reasonable, I'm surprised he didn't go higher.

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