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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Bottom 6/Depth Chart
« on: Yesterday at 09:21:04 PM »
Bozak, Kessel, and JVR 5 on 5, Kessel, Kadri, and JVR on the powerplay.  That sort of thing.

This is definitely something I could live with. Especially considering 1) Bozak's lackluster powerplay scoring numbers and 2) Bozak will likely have to take on a lot more minutes on the PK so his ice-time elsewhere is going to have to drop.

Same here, I'd like to see Kadri get more PP time.

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General NHL News & Views / Re: 2014-2015 NHL Thread
« on: Yesterday at 05:25:04 PM »
Sharks will go into training camp with no captain and no alternates.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Bottom 6/Depth Chart
« on: Yesterday at 04:02:45 PM »
Still, if you think about how to match guys together, would people not agree that 3 snipers together on a line is not the best distribution of talent. Each one will be looking to score. Given the Leafs limited resources in the top 6 (because that is what we are talking about now) doesn't it make more sense to have a guy like Bozak (who will dish off to the sniper) paired with Kessel and Kadri with another set up man?

I think Kadri and even Kessel are good enough playmakers that they'd be fine. I'm also not sure I'd classify Kadri as a sniper. I kinda get what you meant earlier, but I think Kadri's problem is maybe that he hangs onto the puck for too long before distributing it, which makes it seem like he doesn't want to pass. But that could be just as much of a problem as Bozak looking to pass to Kessel as quickly as possible 98% of the time he gets the puck.

Yeah I think he's just more confident making plays or wants to maintain the puck to make a play longer than maybe some others on the team.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Bottom 6/Depth Chart
« on: Yesterday at 03:48:57 PM »
Ok, so Bozak missed time from Oct. 26-Nov. 23 and Dec. 5-Dec. 27. Lets look at that first stretch first.

Things started off well as Kadri and Kessel combined for 10 points in the first 2 games. In the two games following that Kadri had a single point while Kessel had 0. That's when the JVR experiment started. To be clear, Kadri had four games on the top line when Bozak was first injured before he was replaced. Kadri went back to the 2nd line before missing 3 because of his suspension. Upon return from his suspension he was put back on to the top line where he scored a goal but Phil was pointless. Kadri was again bumped from the top line after that for a game as Holland played there before Bozak returned. All-in-all Kadri had 5 games on Kessel's line where he put up a total of 6 points during Bozak's first absence.

Bozak's 2nd injury had him out for 12 games, and Kadri was on the top line for all 12 of them. During the first 6 games Kadri had 5 points (Kessel had 7). So at this point we're looking at 11 games and 11 points for Kadri on Kessel's line. It's the last 6 games that everybody remembers though and this is what tarnishes Kadri's record. Kadri had just 1 point and Kessel had 0 at even-strength. A bad stretch, no doubt. But two things to keep in mind are that during this stretch Kadri was taken off the top powerplay unit in favour of Lupul, something that never really happened when Bozak was in the line-up. The other is that Carlyle started to cut Kadri and Kessel's even-strength ice-time in the final 4 games of that stretch, which led to some fun instances where Jay McClement actually played the same or more than those two did at even-strength.

So in 17 games where he played primarily with Kessel Kadri had 12 points, which is a .70 PPG rate. In the 4 seasons prior to last season Bozak scored 134 points in 238 games, playing almost exclusively with Kessel. A .56 PPG rate. Bozak had 4 years of sucking with Kessel before finally having a successful season. If he kept getting another chance there's absolutely no reason we should be writing Kadri off after 17 games.


Those darn facts!

Still, if you think about how to match guys together, would people not agree that 3 snipers together on a line is not the best distribution of talent. Each one will be looking to score. Given the Leafs limited resources in the top 6 (because that is what we are talking about now) doesn't it make more sense to have a guy like Bozak (who will dish off to the sniper) paired with Kessel and Kadri with another set up man?

Why is Kadri considered a sniper?  He's never had more goals than assists at any level of junior or pro hockey.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Bottom 6/Depth Chart
« on: Yesterday at 03:04:04 PM »
Speaking of which - anyone know where I can find a list of games that Kadri was the top line C last season?

I'm going through that as we speak.

I feel for you.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Bottom 6/Depth Chart
« on: Yesterday at 02:38:29 PM »
Speaking of which - anyone know where I can find a list of games that Kadri was the top line C last season?

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Bottom 6/Depth Chart
« on: Yesterday at 02:32:02 PM »
I hate to get in the middle of this debate again, but IMO Kadri had 24 games to prove he was better then Bozak and he did not prove it. If 20 games is not enough time to prove you deserve to be in that position then there is a problem. If a person cant do a job with in 20 days, he or she would be fired or removed from that job or position. Just saying.

What?  No it's not, and NHL isn't like your regular, everyday job.

Bozak was the #1 C at the start of the 2010 season and started the season with 11 points in 30 games - a 30 point pace through more than 1/3 of the season.  As an older player than Kadri too.

So Bozak should have been removed by now right?  Or can he do the job now?  Or does only Kadri get the 20 games or bust shaft?

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In 100% seriousness, why don't you try to fill that void?  It clearly will be a void, and there will certainly be enough demand for statistical insight from whoever can provide it.  You know the analyses these guys have used, very well, and have learned from a variety of sources.  You know the teams and the players, you're insightful, measured, and articulate.  And there's the potential for a payoff of an NHL job if you can build up a reputation as these guys did.  Just a thought.

Thanks, although I really just know the basics of this stuff. Some of the things guys in the stats community are doing these days go far beyond what I can do. So when it comes to filling the void somebody like Charron left, I think the stats community will be fine. It's moreso what everybody is going to do without extraskater, and that's something that I couldn't even wrap my head around. Although it does seem like a lot of people are working towards getting a new site like that up and running. Hopefully it's good.

I hope the NHL does something to fill the void.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Bottom 6/Depth Chart
« on: Yesterday at 12:35:01 PM »
So who is making who better?  I'd wager that the better money is on Phil making Tyler better, not vice versa.

Yup. The only real argument I buy for keeping Bozak on the 1st line and Kadri on the 2nd is to provide depth to the offence. I'm not convinced any increase in production that Kadri could provide to the 1st line wouldn't be matched or outweighed by a drop off in production by the 2nd line without him.

I can buy that - in the context of the article I'm not thinking it's particularly fair to Kadri and I hope he is the one here longer.

Hopefully another C emerges to help make it more of a moot point.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Bottom 6/Depth Chart
« on: Yesterday at 11:52:52 AM »
Seems like the most appropriate thread for this.  I'd be down with letting him be #1 C: http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/08/19/nazem-kadri-hoping-to-play-a-bigger-role-as-no-1-centre-with-toronto-maple-leafs/

Bozak makes Phil a better player. Yup, I said that. I do not know what it is about those two, but they are better together in spite of the fact that Bozak is not a legit # 1 center.

What is there to back that up?  It's a pretty hard thing to say considering Kessel has played almost 3100 more 5on5 minutes with Bozak than any other C on the Leafs since Bozak entered the league.  It's hard to draw any conclusions about Kadri vs Bozak when the disparity in TOI with Kessel is so vast.

Worth considering when Bozak is with Kessel, the Leafs have scored 50.1% of the goals at 5 on 5 - when Bozak is without Kessel?  The Leafs have scored 34.3% of the goals scored. Source.

So who is making who better?  I'd wager that the better money is on Phil making Tyler better, not vice versa.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Bottom 6/Depth Chart
« on: Yesterday at 10:21:01 AM »
Seems like the most appropriate thread for this.  I'd be down with letting him be #1 C: http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/08/19/nazem-kadri-hoping-to-play-a-bigger-role-as-no-1-centre-with-toronto-maple-leafs/

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: The 2014 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« on: Yesterday at 08:03:46 AM »
Gibbons with a new strategy for success.  Playing NL rules, he pinch hit Dustin McGowan (coming off 2 outs on 4 pitches) with Drew Hutchinson.  Unsurprisingly he struck out and then the Jays have to use up more of their bullpen.  Absurd.

Out of all their issues right now, that's an odd thing to focus on.  They've just overall sucked - the pitching, the hitting, the fielding.

EDIT: That's not to say Gibbons doesn't have some hand in all of that.

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The level of professionalism of these guys is truly inspiring.

The Twitter age seems to have decreased the level of professionalism on the whole. I've never seen so much of this type of crap, certainly not before Twitter.

They've always been this way, they just didn't have the platform of Twitter.

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man I miss when hockey was hockey and played on the ice... not professional strato-matic hockey

1 hour and 34 minutes.  Improving TMLFans.ca, improving.

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Result: Everyone's a weasel!

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