Hurricanes @ Leafs - Nov. 9th, 7:00pm - TSN4
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Guilt Trip
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More snot....lol
Guilt Trip
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He does? Berube rode a hot goalie to a Cup win. Stolarz isn't saving their asses this year. He and Woll covered up a lot of crap last year.
azzurri63
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I believe they are protected so shit the bed.
I don't think there is a single Hall of Fame goalie, living or dead, who could bail this group out right now.
Berube cited all 5 goals in the Boston game were self inflicted. Three of them, the puck was out of their D-zone, they brought it back, lost possession and it was in their net.
What has Treliving ever won?
He's flirting with changing a top 4 team DNA to DNR
Guilt Trip
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On a positive note. L2 continues to play well. They only gave up 2 shots against and had a 82.3 XG%.
Guilt Trip
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herman
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Had me worried in the first 5 min, but they really pulled it off.
OldTimeHockey
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That's not covering up Berube's sh*t. That's covering up a team that has no interest in playing defense.
The constant odd person rushes doesn't say a lot about the defence. It says a ton about the forwards. The gaps that they're creating by never having an F3 is allowing teams to exit zones with speed. That's overwhelming for most D pairings. It's especially overwhelming for D pairings that are subpar like the Leafs.
Matthews needs to be the first one put in his place. Does all kinds of great interviews about wanting to get back to the player from 2 years ago but I've only seen full effort for him on one shift. A PK in the 3rd period vs Pittsburgh. I'd send a strong message and bench one of, or both of Matthews and Nylander. Put them in the press box for a night.
It says a lot when a team loses their best player to Free Agency and the 35 year old, who took a major pay cut to stay, is immediately your best player. Not the 13.25million guy. Not the 11.5 million guy. The 4.38 million guy.
I'm sorry, we've raked MM over the coals a lot on here. Fans and media basically strung him up. But maybe he knew something. Maybe his "tantrums" weren't the problem. Maybe his tantrums were brought on out of frustration of playing with 2 next level talents that are more worried about their fashion than winning hockey games. It says a lot when you remove 1 player and the whole team looks like sh*t.
4EVRLEAFAN
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4EVRLEAFAN
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Not so sure, Marner is sitting 24th in points right now, and Matthews is 59th, I think Matthews and Marner had something that lifted both of them and now they are a apart neither are playing as well as they could. And lets see what happens to Marner in the playoffs.
OldTimeHockey
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They definitely helped each other out. An elite playmaker with an elite(or used to be) goalscorer can certainly improve both player's games.
That said, I think the only thing that is relevant when discussing Marner and the Leafs is the team's performance with Marner, and without Marner. His time with Vegas doesn't say much concerning his importance to the Leafs.
Even L3 was fine-ish last night. I mean the team gave up 68 shot attempts at 5-on-5 and that trio was only on for 8 of them (while mustering just 3 of their own though). The top line is what largely got absolutely destroyed.
Guilt Trip
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I never said it was Berube's shit. I said he rode a goalie to a cup. They didn't go from last place to a cup win because Berube pushed some magical button or had some great system.
Said it many times, they traded the wrong player.
Marner is 16th in pt/gm and scoring at the same rate(105pt pace) he did last year.
L K
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I think the Marner factor is being overblown. Marner being a good defensive forward doesn't make Myers flub every clearing attempt. It doesn't stop Carlo from being a pylon that gets walked around...or Benoit for that matter. It doesn't stop Rielly from being clueless in the defensive zone.
We don't have a single pairing that is playing well right now.
A mutual moving on with Marner wasn't the problem...it was dragging the feet to get pennies on the dollar for him that was the problem. It was not using the cap space to not upgrade the blueline with any puck movement.
The team was obviously going to be worse without Marner. This isn't a Marner problem though.
We don't have a single pairing that is playing well right now.
A mutual moving on with Marner wasn't the problem...it was dragging the feet to get pennies on the dollar for him that was the problem. It was not using the cap space to not upgrade the blueline with any puck movement.
The team was obviously going to be worse without Marner. This isn't a Marner problem though.
When Yeo was hired in St. Louis they were 24th in CF (47.4%) and 24th in xGF (46.8%). After Berube was hired they had the 7th best CF (52.7%) and best xGF in the entire league (55.3%).
Maybe it wasn't a magical button but Berube did something in St. Louis that drastically changed the way they were performing aside from just calling Binnington's name while he was hot.
He certainly hasn't really been able to do that here yet though.
dappleganger
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They might have found something there.
4EVRLEAFAN
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From NHL .com Knies is 16th Marner is 24th. We'll see how he does in the playoffs.
Think I'm giving them one more chance. I'll tune in for the Boston rematch to see if they have any kind of pulse, any kind of inner strength. If it's another game where they get doubled on shots and run out of the building physically, then I'm going to take a break and watch some other teams for a while.
I have a hard time believing this team is as bad as they've looked a lot of the time this year. It's more likely that either the coaching is bad (a lot of the same issues were present last year, covered up by goaltending) or the players (some at least) simply don't want to play the way the coach is asking. Maybe it doesn't really matter, the end result is the same in any case.