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Amanda Knox Verdict

Manson

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The verdict is expected later today.

I don't understand how anyone can think she's guilty.  The jury shouldn't take more than 5 seconds to overturn her conviction, but I have no faith in the Italian legal process seeing as she was already convicted of something she clearly didn't do.

What a nightmare.  I feel so bad for her and her boyfriend and their families.  Does anyone think they'll set her free?  I really don't think they're going to.

Verdict expected at 1pm EST.
 
The more I've read about it, I feel so bad for her.  She should be set free.  But even if she's set free, think of all the time she's had to spend in jail and the loss time in her life.  What a shame.  I hope she can sue.
 
jonlleafs said:
The more I've read about it, I feel so bad for her.  She should be set free.  But even if she's set free, think of all the time she's had to spend in jail and the loss time in her life.  What a shame.  I hope she can sue.

She will make a fortune doing exclusive interviews and she's apparently written memoires chronicling her entire experience which will be very valuable.

Still, I too hope she can sue.  Specifically, the prosecuting lawyer who's clearly corrupt.
 
Manson said:
The verdict is expected later today.

I don't understand how anyone can think she's guilty.  The jury shouldn't take more than 5 seconds to overturn her conviction, but I have no faith in the Italian legal process seeing as she was already convicted of something she clearly didn't do.

What a nightmare.  I feel so bad for her and her boyfriend and their families.  Does anyone think they'll set her free?  I really don't think they're going to.

Verdict expected at 1pm EST.

The case should've been thrown out after the prosecution withheld evidence, did not have an airtight case, and resorted to petty ad hominem attacks to make their case. Disgusting.
 
Per CNN

A jury has reached a decision on whether it will uphold or overturn the conviction of Amanda Knox in the murder of Meredith Kercher. A reading is expected at 3:30 p.m. ET
 
Nobody should be surprised at all by the decision of that corrupt court system... can you say Silvio Berlusconi? he's in charge... nuff said... no faith, none
 
Manson said:
She's free!  Conviction overturned.

The murder conviction was overturned, but the defamation charges were upheld. Sentenced to 3 years for that, which is essentially time served.
 
The worst part is the defense can still appeal.

The funny thing is I feel like the Kercher family feels like they got swindled by her release. In all the statements it's not "If she's innocent, ok." It's "What she did to my daughter/sister is unforgivable." Ok, then you've already made up your mind that your daughter was killed by her, whether true or false.

To me this is a classic David Milgaard-esque case. Italian judicial system wants to throw the book at her so badly they put together a very loose case and win because people are worried about her "character." The case was so bad that the defense once said (paraphrasing) that there is no motive in this murder because we live in a violent world. I mean, holy hell you must not have a case to say something like that. You can't even find a motive? Then the motive becomes a very unsubstantiated sex ritual? Then she becomes a "she-devil" and is defamed all across the country. How can anyone have an unbiased view of the case when the order of the day was a witchhunt? Furthermore, it is my understanding that she accounted for her stories under quite a lot of duress, then the prosecution hammered for being inconsistent when she was questioned by police. Well, here's a news flash: If someone is under duress and being threatened to say something, the person in question will be agreeable to your suggestions because they want to get the hell of duress. If you plead your innocence they'll threaten you even more.

I also find it insane that people are yelling "shame" and "murderer" after her acquittal. I mean, if she's acquitted she is presumed innocent. If she was presumed innocent during the first trial would that make her a murderer? If she is presumed innocent during the second trial, is she any more a murderer than before? And besides, was the defense's case even remotely believable in the first place?

I'm not saying Amanda Knox didn't do a few odd things that ticked off the press and didn't have a 100% airtight story, but the defense had a case like swiss cheese. At least the holes in her case were small in comparison. If it was easy she'd be acquitted already.

What I don't understand is they've got their man already! God this whole case is unbelievably frustrating...
 
This is pretty funny.  The Daily Mail in the UK posted a 'guilty' story the second they heard the judge say Knox was guilty - only the judge was ruling guilty on the slander charge, not the murder charge.  So the story they posted was false, including reactions from the family and prosecutor's that could not have happened.

http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/daily-mail-guuilt/

 
She was involved in the murder for sure. There are so many holes in her story. Fortunately for her, the prosecution had a case like a sieve.
 
TML fan said:
She was involved in the murder for sure. There are so many holes in her story. Fortunately for her, the prosecution had a case like a sieve.

You've got to be joking. She's made errors in what she said, but that can be attributed to being under duress. Rudy Guede fits the bill completely. He had no alibi and his DNA was found in the room of Kercher. Knox and Sollecito had only the most basic and poorly thought out circumstantial evidence ever pinned to them.

The prosecution had a case like a sieve because there was no case. They got their man already. This feels like a Steven Truscott/David Milgaard case.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2011/09/15/10-reasons-why-amanda-knox-must-go-free/
 
TML fan said:
She was involved in the murder for sure. There are so many holes in her story. Fortunately for her, the prosecution had a case like a sieve.

Please research the case before you comment.  The forensic evidence not only proves she didn't do it,  but proves it is impossible for her to have done it.  Literally impossible.

Any inconsistencies in her story are a result of the completely corrupt interrogation process by Guiliano Mignini, who just happens to be...the lead prosecutor.
 
Manson said:
Please research the case before you comment.  The DNA evidence not only proves she didn't do it,  but proves it is impossible for her to have done it.  Literally impossible.

While I do believe she's innocent, your statement above isn't correct. Lack of her DNA is simply that, a lack of evidence that she did do it. Lack of evidence doesn't make it impossible nor does it prove she didn't do it. What it does is doesn't prove that she did.
 
Bender said:
TML fan said:
She was involved in the murder for sure. There are so many holes in her story. Fortunately for her, the prosecution had a case like a sieve.

You've got to be joking. She's made errors in what she said, but that can be attributed to being under duress. Rudy Guede fits the bill completely. He had no alibi and his DNA was found in the room of Kercher. Knox and Sollecito had only the most basic and poorly thought out circumstantial evidence ever pinned to them.

The prosecution had a case like a sieve because there was no case. They got their man already. This feels like a Steven Truscott/David Milgaard case. http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2011/09/15/10-reasons-why-amanda-knox-must-go-free/

Exactly the same thing, she just wasn't in prison as long.  I can't believe how gullible the Italian public is.  Looks like all you have to do is throw out some good 'ol god fearing words like diabolic, satanic sex orgy and she-devil enough times and they'll err on the side of caution, even though the real murderer is already in jail...just to be safe
 
Bullfrog said:
Manson said:
Please research the case before you comment.  The DNA evidence not only proves she didn't do it,  but proves it is impossible for her to have done it.  Literally impossible.

While I do believe she's innocent, your statement above isn't correct. Lack of her DNA is simply that, a lack of evidence that she did do it. Lack of evidence doesn't make it impossible nor does it prove she didn't do it. What it does is doesn't prove that she did.

I meant to say forensic evidence.  The forensic evidence makes it impossible for her to have been there.

Also, a lack of DNA can prove you didn't do it if there's an absolute absence of any DNA material whatsoever.  The murder scene was described as amateur at best and there would have been loads of fingerprints, footprints, handprints, blood, semen, hair, etc. of the murderer, just like there was of....Rudy Guede.  Not 2 sets of prints, not 3 sets up prints...there was 1 set up prints and they were Rudy Guede's, and he's in jail.
 
From what I read, there was simply a lack of forensic evidence due to the incompetence of the police, and nothing about evidence exhonorating her?

Why can't she get her story straight? I don't buy duress as an excuse.
 
Bullfrog said:
Manson said:
Please research the case before you comment.  The DNA evidence not only proves she didn't do it,  but proves it is impossible for her to have done it.  Literally impossible.

While I do believe she's innocent, your statement above isn't correct. Lack of her DNA is simply that, a lack of evidence that she did do it. Lack of evidence doesn't make it impossible nor does it prove she didn't do it. What it does is doesn't prove that she did.

Actually, according to the evidence all the signs point to Rudy Guede. At the very least a scenario with her involvement is extremely unlikely.

I mean, they placed the guy's footprint in the house. He stated he broke into the house when Meredith was there. He confessed he did it to a friend (not under duress) but retracted his statement when he was on the record. He fled the country after she was killed, he often carried a knife. I mean, so many things here are, at least, strong indicators before we even put in forensic evidence.

Guede "became a suspect in the murder two weeks after Miss Kercher's body was found, when DNA tests on a bloody fingerprint and on samples taken from the body were found to match samples which police already had on file following his earlier arrests."

"DNA matching Guede's was found both on and inside Kercher's body[28][60] and on her shirt, bra and handbag.[61] A bloody handprint found on a pillow under Kercher's back was also matched to Guede"

"The court found that Guede's version of events did not match some of the forensic evidence, remarking that he could not explain why one of his palm prints, stained with Kercher's blood, had been found on the pillow of the single bed, under the disrobed body,[28][120] when he had stated that he had left her fully dressed.[5]:175"

"one of Guede's former cellmates testified that Guede revealed that Knox and Sollecito had nothing to do with the crime.[154] He testified that Guede and another friend went to Kercher's house with the intent of having three way sex with her, but when she refused his friend stabbed her to death.[154] The defence also called other witnesses to support Alessi's testimony. One such witness testified that he had heard stories of Knox and Sollecito's innocence while he was in jail and he heard Guede say that Knox and Sollecito were innocent.[154][155] However, Guede denied this on the stand, calling it "all lies". He said he had never discussed the murder and that the former cellmate was being manipulated by others."

This guy had a huge history of lying and going back and forth but there's some pretty hard hitting evidence here that places him at the crime, high chance of him committing the crime, fleeing from the crime, stealing things from the scene of the crime, being extradited by German police, being unreliable in stating that Sollecito and Knox acted with him, a long track record of offences. The three never knew each other and also never placed phone calls with each other.

There's no reason to even prosecute the two of them based on such overwhelming evidence. Like I said before: Entrapment and duress, just like in Milgaard and Truscott. If you maintain your innocence, they threaten to throw the book at you harder for being difficult.
 
TML fan said:
From what I read, there was simply a lack of forensic evidence due to the incompetence of the police, and nothing about evidence exhonorating her?

Why can't she get her story straight? I don't buy duress as an excuse.

What we have to go on points to one person. How could one person get their DNA strewn all over the place but others had no trace of DNA evidence even though they are supposedly implicated?

"On 5 November 2007, after Sollecito had confirmed that he and Knox had spent the night of the murder at his flat, the police reported that a "confused and nervous" Sollecito stated that Knox could have left his home sometime when he was asleep.[34][35] The police then questioned Knox, who had accompanied Sollecito to the police station.[34] Starting at 11 pm that evening,[34] Knox was questioned first by the police alone and, later that night, in the presence of a prosecutor.[36] She claimed that she was initially interviewed in Italian ? although she had been studying the language for only two months ? without an attorney present and without being recorded. These claims were denied by prosecutors.[37] She later claimed that she underwent a hostile interrogation of 14 hours, that she was struck and yelled at, denied food and water, and caused to make incriminating statements.[37] In the end she signed a statement in Italian saying, in part, that she had seen Patrick Lumumba (Knox's boss) and Kercher enter Kercher's room.[37]"

Seems to me it was hardcore language barrier and duress.
 

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