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Detroit Red Wings Announce New Arena Plans

Hockey stadiums have never revitalized anything.  To ask for public money to help you make a profit while the city is bankrupt is unethical at best and criminal at worst.
 
Nik the Trik said:
I think I've linked to it before but there was a very good article in Deadspin about this project in particular:

http://deadspin.com/detroit-scam-city-how-the-red-wings-took-hockeytown-fo-1534228789

Public money going to sports arenas is terrible policy in general, in a city like Detroit it's near criminal.

Oh, no doubt.  I wasn't so much intrigued by the arena itself, but the conversion of a bunch of blocks of dead buildings and trying to turn it into a better environment.  I'm completely against publicly funded sports arenas.  I'm just interested in seeing the Detroit downtown cleaned up and this looks like a project that over time is aimed at actually doing a decent conversion of the downtown. 
 
L K said:
Oh, no doubt.  I wasn't so much intrigued by the arena itself, but the conversion of a bunch of blocks of dead buildings and trying to turn it into a better environment.  I'm completely against publicly funded sports arenas.  I'm just interested in seeing the Detroit downtown cleaned up and this looks like a project that over time is aimed at actually doing a decent conversion of the downtown.

I really enjoyed visiting Detroit, there's something about it.  The architecture is gorgeous and there is still a lot going on if you look for it.  Public funding aside, the end result will probably be good for the downtown area aesthetically and socially.
 
I also think it's worth noting, and it came out a bit when the original Deadspin or whatever story was published, that the taxpayer money being used for the arena (think it's something like $280 million?) was going to be from downtown taxpayers.

So for example:

General Motors Co. and other downtown corporations will be the chief funders via their property taxes of the public portion of the $650 million Detroit Red Wings arena and entertainment district under a plan announced last week.

Detroit's Downtown Development Authority intends to use $284.5 million in property taxes captured within its 615-acre downtown district to pay off bonds issued by the state to build the 18,000-seat arena at Woodward Avenue and I-75.

GM has the largest taxable value within that district, and it and other corporations, along with small- and medium-sized property owners, will foot some of the arena's bill through property taxes.

The remainder of the arena costs, or $365.5 million, will be picked up by Olympia Development of Michigan, the property development arm of Mike and Marian Ilitch's $2 billion Detroit business empire that includes the Red Wings, Detroit Tigers and Little Caesars pizza chain.

...

Backers explained the bond repayment sources as:

? Approximately $12.8 million annually (not to exceed $15 million) from a special DDA tax capture.

? Approximately $2.15 million in average annual payments made by the DDA from other annual property tax collection.

? $11.5 million annually from Olympia.

...

Backers say the project will create new tax revenue for the city and jobs.

They also explained to Crain's that the special tax capture has been in place for more than two decades and legally cannot be used for any purpose other than economic development.

In December, the state Legislature authorized the DDA to use a specific property tax capture to pay off a "catalyst development project" of $300 million or more -- with the hockey arena in mind.

The origin of that capture is thus: The DDA said it issued tax increment bonds in 1989 (and refunded them in 1996) to create a pool of money that would be used to fund downtown projects, including construction of the Millender Center, Riverfront Towers, One Detroit Center and 150 West Jefferson.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20130623/NEWS/306239963/public-cost-of-arena-tied-to-biz-taxpayers

So basically it comes from a fund that can only ever be used for downtown revitalization projects.  I think a lot of what I've read about it has presented it as being funded by taxpayers in general when it appears to be more specific and downtown-centric.

Anyways, not saying it makes it okay to then use those public funds for it in theory, but it is a fund specifically earmarked for this sort of project I suppose.
 
L K said:
Oh, no doubt.  I wasn't so much intrigued by the arena itself, but the conversion of a bunch of blocks of dead buildings and trying to turn it into a better environment.  I'm completely against publicly funded sports arenas.  I'm just interested in seeing the Detroit downtown cleaneoud up and this looks like a project that over time is aimed at actually doing a decent conversion of the downtown.

These sorts of things are always aimed at making a destination out of a neighbourhood that needs revitalization and, time and again, we see that A) it doesn't really work and B) in terms of economic investment there are much better options for a city than an opulent sports arena where they have no equity stake or piece of the revenue and really only attracts people on game days.

Bradley updated his article today:

http://deadspin.com/detroit-scam-city-how-the-red-wings-took-hockeytown-fo-1534228789/1608278028/+bradleybill

It's important to note that the mismanagement here isn't so much what tax these dollars are coming from but the basic reality that a government's ability to raise tax revenue is inherently limited(especially in a city in the situation Detroit is in) and that time and again sports arenas are shown to be bad public investments.

The state legislature could have allowed for the DDA to use the money on anything. Even something as frivolous as schools, working gear for their firefighters or cutting the police response time down from three quarters of an hour.
 

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