First Round: Stars (3) vs. Flames (6)

[CarltonTheBear]

Tuesday, Aug. 11, 5:30 p.m.: Flames @ Stars | NBCSN, CBC, SN, TVAS
Thursday, Aug. 13, 10:30 p.m.: Flames @ Stars | NBCSN, CBC, SN, TVAS
Friday, Aug. 14, 10:30 p.m.: Stars @ Flames | NBCSN, CBC, SN, TVAS
Sunday, Aug. 16, 2 p.m.: Stars @ Flames | NBCSN, CBC, SN, TVAS
*Tuesday, Aug. 18, TBD: Flames @ Stars | TBD
*Thursday, Aug. 20, TBD: Stars @ Flames | TBD
*Saturday, Aug. 22, TBD: Stars @ Flames | TBD

 

[Guilt Trip]

The series no one seems to care about. Flames were leading 3-0 in the 1st and no trail 5-3 not even halfway through the 2nd. What a disaster.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Now 7-3 halfway through the third. 7 goals on 22 shots...Wow... Goodnight Flames.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Wonder if Calgary does something big this offseason. Lots of talk in the media about Gaudreau being done (they seem to say that every summer though).

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If Calgary's blowup makes it more likely Brodie becames a UFA... nice.

 

[herman]

Does it make Rasmus Andersson more available for Kapanen+?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Does it make Rasmus Andersson more available for Kapanen+?

I think he's basically hit the untouchable level over there. Even if he's available, that + would need to be something probably even more valuable than Kapanen.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Wonder if Calgary does something big this offseason. Lots of talk in the media about Gaudreau being done (they seem to say that every summer though).

He didn't have a disastrous playoffs but no points in 3 out of 6 games will raise eyebrows. Monahan was terrible points wise in the Dallas series with 2 helpers in one game and nothing in 5 others. Will say though he got it done against the Jets. Changes are coming because it wasn't a good series. I tried to pat close attention to Brodie. I think he'd fit in nice and would be a major upgrade on the RD. I think the UFA market is going to be a buyers market for sure. Guys that aren't considered top shelf, will be signing for less then worth just so they can have a job moving forward. hey have to be careful or they could price themselves out of the league.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He didn't have a disastrous playoffs but no points in 3 out of 6 games will raise eyebrows.

Zero 5-on-5 points in 10 playoff games this year (play-in + round 1). That gives him just 1 5-on-5 point in his last 19 playoff games dating back to 2017. I can't say if it's actually warranted or not but yeah the vultures will be out on this one.

 

[Guilt Trip]

He didn't have a disastrous playoffs but no points in 3 out of 6 games will raise eyebrows.

Zero 5-on-5 points in 10 playoff games this year (play-in + round 1). That gives him just 1 5-on-5 point in his last 19 playoff games dating back to 2017. I can't say if it's actually warranted or not but yeah the vultures will be out on this one.

Didn't know it was that bad point wise. From what I saw he worked hard but you still need to produce. The vultures will definitely be out.

 

[bustaheims]

He didn't have a disastrous playoffs but no points in 3 out of 6 games will raise eyebrows.

Zero 5-on-5 points in 10 playoff games this year (play-in + round 1). That gives him just 1 5-on-5 point in his last 19 playoff games dating back to 2017. I can't say if it's actually warranted or not but yeah the vultures will be out on this one.

He only has 6 ES points in 30 career post-season games (of which, 2 were in the same game - he's only posted ES points in 5 of 30 career playoff games). That's really awful for a guy who is one of the main cogs in his team's offence. As much as I hate the whole narrative around certain players not being able to produce in important games, etc., there might be some truth to it with Gaudreau. His production on the PP helps mask some of his deficiency, but, at the very least, it's pretty clear he's not able to do as much on his own in the playoffs like he can during the season.

 

[Frank E]

That really sucks. 

He's got 2 more years left on his deal, and this 2020-2021 has a signing bonus of $3.5m due, which brings the real money balance after that of just $10m over 2 years on an AAV of $6.75m.

He's got to be tradable.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He only has 6 ES points in 30 career post-season games (of which, 2 were in the same game - he's only posted ES points in 5 of 30 career playoff games). That's really awful for a guy who is one of the main cogs in his team's offence. As much as I hate the whole narrative around certain players not being able to produce in important games, etc., there might be some truth to it with Gaudreau. His production on the PP helps mask some of his deficiency, but, at the very least, it's pretty clear he's not able to do as much on his own in the playoffs like he can during the season.

I wonder if it's time to do a legit rebuild in Calgary. They've been stuck in the "good but not great" range during the entire Gaudreau-era. 1 series win, 3 first round eliminations, 2 playoff misses. I know Giordano just won a Norris a year ago but he turns 37 this October and age is bound to hit him soon (if it hasn't already). 5 of the defencemen they used this season are UFAs, including one of their better ones in T.J. Brodie. They don't see to have any real plan/future in net. Their prospect pool is awful (Pronman ranked them 31st in his organizational rankings at the beginning of this season). They have a lot of money committed to a bunch of good but not great forwards (and 1 terrible one). I just don't see a direction they could take that would make them a much better team in the immediate future.

Pull an Ottawa and just do a complete firesale. Trade Gaudreau, Giordano, and at least one of Monahan/Backlund/Lindholm for a boatload of draft picks. Aim for a couple of top-5 draft selections in the next 2 seasons and build the team around those guys and Tkachuk/Hanifin/Andersson.

 

[Frank E]

He only has 6 ES points in 30 career post-season games (of which, 2 were in the same game - he's only posted ES points in 5 of 30 career playoff games). That's really awful for a guy who is one of the main cogs in his team's offence. As much as I hate the whole narrative around certain players not being able to produce in important games, etc., there might be some truth to it with Gaudreau. His production on the PP helps mask some of his deficiency, but, at the very least, it's pretty clear he's not able to do as much on his own in the playoffs like he can during the season.

I wonder if it's time to do a legit rebuild in Calgary. They've been stuck in the "good but not great" range during the entire Gaudreau-era. 1 series win, 3 first round eliminations, 2 playoff misses. I know Giordano just won a Norris a year ago but he turns 37 this October and age is bound to hit him soon (if it hasn't already). 5 of the defencemen they used this season are UFAs, including one of their better ones in T.J. Brodie. They don't see to have any real plan/future in net. Their prospect pool is awful (Pronman ranked them 31st in his organizational rankings at the beginning of this season). They have a lot of money committed to a bunch of good but not great forwards (and 1 terrible one). I just don't see a direction they could take that would make them a much better team in the immediate future.

Pull an Ottawa and just do a complete firesale. Trade Gaudreau, Giordano, and at least one of Monahan/Backlund/Lindholm for a boatload of draft picks. Aim for a couple of top-5 draft selections in the next 2 seasons and build the team around those guys and Tkachuk/Hanifin/Andersson.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.  I think given COVID and all, it might be a great time for teams like Calgary to tank.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Looking at some more Flames things, I didn't realize Brad Treliving has been their GM for the past 6 seasons/entire Gaudreau era. Regardless of what happens with Gaudreau, he's gotta go first.

 

[bustaheims]

Looking at some more Flames things, I didn't realize Brad Treliving has been their GM for the past 6 seasons/entire Gaudreau era. Regardless of what happens with Gaudreau, he's gotta go first.

Yeah. Wholesale changes are required in Calgary. At least they still have all of their more important picks (1st & 2nd rounders) for the next few drafts - and, well, most of their picks in general. They just need to acquire more picks and quality prospects - which might required better scouts. Lots of things that need to be addressed, for sure.

 

[Bender]

He didn't have a disastrous playoffs but no points in 3 out of 6 games will raise eyebrows.

Zero 5-on-5 points in 10 playoff games this year (play-in + round 1). That gives him just 1 5-on-5 point in his last 19 playoff games dating back to 2017. I can't say if it's actually warranted or not but yeah the vultures will be out on this one.

He only has 6 ES points in 30 career post-season games (of which, 2 were in the same game - he's only posted ES points in 5 of 30 career playoff games). That's really awful for a guy who is one of the main cogs in his team's offence. As much as I hate the whole narrative around certain players not being able to produce in important games, etc., there might be some truth to it with Gaudreau. His production on the PP helps mask some of his deficiency, but, at the very least, it's pretty clear he's not able to do as much on his own in the playoffs like he can during the season.

How's Monahan?

I'd love to pry some pieces out of Calgary.

 

[bustaheims]

How's Monahan?

I'd love to pry some pieces out of Calgary.

He had a bit of a down year, but was tied with Bennett for the team lead in postseason points. He?s the type of player I imagine Calgary would want to rebuild around (unless they do a complete tear down).

Bennett is an intriguing piece to me - a young C who isn?t afraid to play a more physical game, is reasonably defensively responsible, and may still have untapped offensive potential.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Monahan was good in the play-in series but not against Dallas. 2 apples in one game, 0 points in the other 5. Bennett is the guy. Elevates his game in the playoffs. No complaints about him.