Guilt Trip
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Leafs Extend Engvall...1 Year 2.25M
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Feels like about $500k too much. Especially on just a 1-year deal. This was a tough one to find comparables for though. Sometimes you see a 30 point penalty killer get $3mil, sometimes it's just over $1mil. They're really all over the place.
Guilt Trip
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Seeing him and Mikheyev are literally tied in pts/60 at 5v5, I think it's a fair deal. Mikheyev was a little better on the PP.CarltonTheBear said:
Guilt Trip said:
Engvall's problem has always been his consistency. When he's playing his best hockey: that's skating fast, forechecking hard, showing a little bit of snarl, and carrying the puck into the offensive zone with control I think he's a more impactful player than Mikheyev. But there's also still long stretches in his game where he's a lot more invisible or at worse making dumb decisions with the puck and giving it away and that generally doesn't get said about Mikheyev. So $2.25mil for him not be that bad of a deal for a lot of teams, but for the Leafs I think they needed a little better value for a player like him. Like I wonder what Danton Heinen gets, because other than one being 6'5" I think they're very similar players and Heinen might sign for about half of this.
edit: didn't realize Heinen didn't kill penalties with Pittsburgh this past season, although he did the season before that with Anaheim. That'll obviously knock his cap hit down
Kin
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Honestly, it seems like the kind of news that should not even raise the mildest of interest other than the fact that we have to parse over every single dollar to determine if it's good "value".
Engvall is not an ideal player at this price but realistically, the Leafs system being what it is, there isn't a ready to go replacement and anyone significantly cheaper is likely to be commensurately not as good so...there you go.
Engvall is not an ideal player at this price but realistically, the Leafs system being what it is, there isn't a ready to go replacement and anyone significantly cheaper is likely to be commensurately not as good so...there you go.
Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
Engvall-Kampf-Jarnkrok
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Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Giordano-Liljegren
Murray
Samsonov
Roster still needs at least 2 forwards and one defenceman. There's $1.669mil to fill those spots. Add two league minimum forwards and there's $169,384 in cap space. Don't gotta be a CBA expert to know that's not enough to sign Sandin.
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
Engvall-Kampf-Jarnkrok
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Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Giordano-Liljegren
Murray
Samsonov
Roster still needs at least 2 forwards and one defenceman. There's $1.669mil to fill those spots. Add two league minimum forwards and there's $169,384 in cap space. Don't gotta be a CBA expert to know that's not enough to sign Sandin.
I do really like Engvall, both as a player and even as a person. Last season was really his first "full" season in the NHL so hopefully there's another step for him to take where he's able to play with more consistency.
azzurri63
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CarltonTheBear said:
I think Dubas' infatuation with some players is a detriment to this team. I like Sandin and I think he's one of those guys Dubas loves so don't see him going anywhere. Somebody else has to go and hopefully it's Holl for me but another player for some reason that gets a lot of love from management. Going to be interesting something has to give to finish this roster.
herman said:
What other lies have we been fed?
Frank E
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Deebo said:
I do too...this was my concern with Engvall. And I don't think the money is wrong.
Sort of to repeat what Nik said above, this is not a new problem...the Leafs just don't currently have players coming up in the system breaking through on cheap ELC deals and able to contribute 30 points safely in sheltered minutes. So here we are paying market for a guy that this whole giant front office/development staff should be able to provide the team with in their Cup window.
So I guess I continue to be disappointed in how Dubas is going about improving the club, but I understand it's still early. herman suggested, I think appropriately, that maybe they place less focus on the roster that debuts and more focus is placed on tinkering during the season and at the deadline.
bustaheims
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Frank E said:
I'd agree with herman on that, too. The team really didn't need to do much in terms of improving themselves for the regular season. They were, after all, a 115 point team last season. All they really need to do is maintain a similar level of regular season success and be better in the playoffs.
bustaheims
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Bullfrog said:
Point totals should level off some (I don't think they'll be as much separation between the playoff and non-playoff teams), but the Leafs should be able to roughly maintain their position in the standings.
