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Liljegren re-signed [2 years, $1.4mil AAV]

Good deal.  Right where it was expected to be aside from some stupid media pundits who tried to create controversy in thinking Liljegren/Sandin would require 4-5 million between the two.
 
I guess I was thinking less...like 1.0m...the guy was scratched for most of the playoff series.

I'm guessing that if other things remain status quo on the blueline, this means Lyubushkin is a gonner as UFA.
 
Frank E said:
I guess I was thinking less...like 1.0m...the guy was scratched for most of the playoff series.

I'm guessing that if other things remain status quo on the blueline, this means Lyubushkin is a gonner as UFA.
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I don't think there was a chance of him signing for 1M. 1.4 is a fair deal. I expect Sandin to come in around the same. Lyubushkin's status will depend on Holl or if the Leafs go after a UFA for the right side. Even if Bush is gone, it saves the Leafs 2.5M with Ritchie gone.
 
Good.

Not comparing him, but it blows me away that a 23-year-old defenseman just won the Conn Smythe.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Good.

Not comparing him, but it blows me away that a 23-year-old defenseman just won the Conn Smythe.
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Youngest since Orr, 52 years ago so he's a rarity for sure.
 
L K said:
Good deal.  Right where it was expected to be aside from some stupid media pundits who tried to create controversy in thinking Liljegren/Sandin would require 4-5 million between the two.
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Lemmie guess, Dreger?
 
I like this deal, it's a player being paid what he might be worth, Holl was used in the playoffs over him so he should be making less. Of TO's young d-men, Dermott, Sandin and him I thought Lilly looked the best.

I don't think Sandin has proven himself a more valuable player, but that's my take. 
 
hobarth said:
I like this deal, it's a player being paid what he might be worth, Holl was used in the playoffs over him so he should be making less. Of TO's young d-men, Dermott, Sandin and him I thought Lilly looked the best.

I don't think Sandin has proven himself a more valuable player, but that's my take.
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Oh I do think Sandin is a more valuable player. If he gets paid the same as Lily that?s a big win IMO.
 
RedLeaf said:
hobarth said:
I like this deal, it's a player being paid what he might be worth, Holl was used in the playoffs over him so he should be making less. Of TO's young d-men, Dermott, Sandin and him I thought Lilly looked the best.

I don't think Sandin has proven himself a more valuable player, but that's my take.
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Oh I do think Sandin is a more valuable player. If he gets paid the same as Lily that?s a big win IMO.
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Right now I think Sandin is as well. I think he comes in just a little higher but equal would be nice.
 
RedLeaf said:
Oh I do think Sandin is a more valuable player. If he gets paid the same as Lily that?s a big win IMO.
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I think Sandin will be the more valuable player, but, I wouldn't say he's there, yet. There's very comparable currently.
 
bustaheims said:
RedLeaf said:
Oh I do think Sandin is a more valuable player. If he gets paid the same as Lily that?s a big win IMO.
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I think Sandin will be the more valuable player, but, I wouldn't say he's there, yet. There's very comparable currently.
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It's hard to say.  Sandin showed NHL promise earlier than Lily, and maybe he has more upside, maybe not.  But yeah right now they're pretty comparable if you go by NHL experience.  I would expect him to sign a similar deal.
 
bustaheims said:
RedLeaf said:
Oh I do think Sandin is a more valuable player. If he gets paid the same as Lily that?s a big win IMO.
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I think Sandin will be the more valuable player, but, I wouldn't say he's there, yet. There's very comparable currently.
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I'd bet they're still trying to figure out what to do with the LD situation.

There's a spot for Liljegren on RD, but Sandin is looking a little like 7th defenseman at the moment...baring him taking Holl's spot on RD...but really then you've got 2 LHS guys playing RD.

But if they decide to re-sign Lyubushkin then I have no idea what's going on.
 
Personally, I think Sandin is too much in the mould of Rielly. He has really good vision, moves the puck well, and is a top notch skater.....with mediocre defensive abilities(all with way less experience). The question becomes, is there room for two of these guys in the same D core? I'm not saying Sandin should be thrown out with the bathwater, I just don't expect him to be impactful just yet.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Personally, I think Sandin is too much in the mould of Rielly. He has really good vision, moves the puck well, and is a top notch skater.....with mediocre defensive abilities(all with way less experience). The question becomes, is there room for two of these guys in the same D core? I'm not saying Sandin should be thrown out with the bathwater, I just don't expect him to be impactful just yet.
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I think you're underestimating Sandin defensively.  He'll never put up the point totals of a Rielly, but I think he has the hockey IQ to be better defensively.
 
From Jack Han:
Among blueliners, there exists two distinct types of puck-movers:

Retrievers: Ds who retrieve dump-ins and improve the condition of the puck for teammates by getting off the wall

Sprinters: Ds who sprint off the puck, either up the middle or on the weak side, to catch a lateral pass and carry the puck through the NZ
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Note this is about style and skillset, not necessarily efficacy, and is just my read on the players
Leaf Dual Threats: Holl (lol)
Leaf Retrievers: Muzzin, Brodie, Giordano, Kokkonen
Leaf Sprinters: Rielly, Sandin, Liljegren, Niemela

OldTimeHockey said:
Personally, I think Sandin is too much in the mould of Rielly. He has really good vision, moves the puck well, and is a top notch skater.....with mediocre defensive abilities(all with way less experience).
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They are very similar, however, I do have some contentions with the statements above.
Similarities: Left shot, stocky build, dump truck ass, offensive-orientation, OZ vision, need to be complemented by a safety retriever to help leverage their breakout abilities.

Differences:
  • Rielly has legit pull away speed; Sandin as good agility but struggles against speed
  • Rielly relies on his feet to transition the puck; Sandin is a passer who puts it in good places for his teammates.
  • Rielly never got a chance to develop transition gap control so he always cedes the blueline even if he's on top of a rush; Sandin has great gaps but can get turnstiled by wide speed.
  • Rielly's shot is not bad, but has no deception and he's generally on with better shooters; Sandin has a really good sifter from range that finds holes in coverage.

Dermott was of a similar template, but for an offensively oriented LD without as much offensive potential as the two above, it made sense to give him an opportunity elsewhere.
 
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