Marincin Redux
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You could do A LOT worse for a #9 or #10 defencemen around the league. This isn't something to get worked up about.
Highlander
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Perhaps he will get better with age, like a vintage wine. Just wait for Ron Hainsey to sign his one year dealCarltonTheBear said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Good on the PK, good at denying zone entries, could do worse in the 7-10 spot as others have said.
Guilt Trip
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That's a cheap guy for the #7(pressbox). At worst he's a Marlie. They need defence also. Hainsey may be coming here for 1.5 mill and the Leafs may not be able to sign him for that much without trading a forward or two.
Phileas Fogg
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He played pretty well at the WC, apparently. Perhaps that was the reason to keep him around another year.
Personally, I think that if it ever gets to the point that he's a regular in the lineup, we've got some serious issues.
Personally, I think that if it ever gets to the point that he's a regular in the lineup, we've got some serious issues.
I'm not worked up in the least, just disappointed that Dubas is revisiting the same failed option again, particularly with Leaf defensive lapses being identified as the key problem on the current roster. It fits the definition of insanity.CarltonTheBear said:
I realize that the salary cap is a problem -- and whose fault might that be? -- but the problems evident with this line-up will not be solved by signing low end defensemen. It will only be solved by more defensively responsible forwards, fewer forwards that are carbon copies of each other and acquiring another top pairing blueliner.
The idea that the way to re-sign Marner is to dump defensemen is flawed particularly if the ie is to replace Zaitsev and Gardiner with players who are inferior to them.
If the cap crunch needs to be addressed, it should not be on the blueline which is already too thin and about to get thinner.
Highlander
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But is it a mistake, he has had a lot of training and experience. Had a great WC, whats the worst that happens, he shores up a Marlies backline or comes up if someone goes down, It could be worse.KW Sluggo said:
Guilt Trip
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Yup. Leafs have money and can bury him on the Marlies. I also think 2 of them are coming to the big club.herman said:
Kin
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Reading through this I really don't understand the negative response. As I said in the Hutchinson thread, a one year deal at 700k doesn't commit the Leafs to anything or preclude them from doing anything else. This is a depth move that in no way binds them to anything.
But even more, the idea that some people are surprised that the Leafs are kind of in a thorny spot defensively makes no sense. Once the Leafs decided to short-cut the rebuild when Matthews came aboard this year was always coming. The Leafs being without a lot of cap maneuverability isn't anyone's fault. It's the result of absorbing four big contracts over two years. No team could bring on the Tavares deal and the three big extensions and not feel the pinch.
Sure, jump starting the process once Matthews was here but without a bunch of good defensive prospects was a move worthy of criticism(and I gave it at the time) but realistically with those four forwards in the fold any major improvements to the defense, at least in the foreseeable future, was going to have to come from within. That's just the whole nature of the cap. If you think the Leafs should make major structural changes so as to add a defenseman from outside the organization, I think it's incumbent on someone making that argument to outline what those changes actually are and what chance they have of succeeding in a league that prizes good defensemen as highly as it does.
Either way, the signing of Marincin has nothing to do with that larger issue. Nobody here or in the Leafs front office is working under the impression that signing him is fixing the issues with the team.
But even more, the idea that some people are surprised that the Leafs are kind of in a thorny spot defensively makes no sense. Once the Leafs decided to short-cut the rebuild when Matthews came aboard this year was always coming. The Leafs being without a lot of cap maneuverability isn't anyone's fault. It's the result of absorbing four big contracts over two years. No team could bring on the Tavares deal and the three big extensions and not feel the pinch.
Sure, jump starting the process once Matthews was here but without a bunch of good defensive prospects was a move worthy of criticism(and I gave it at the time) but realistically with those four forwards in the fold any major improvements to the defense, at least in the foreseeable future, was going to have to come from within. That's just the whole nature of the cap. If you think the Leafs should make major structural changes so as to add a defenseman from outside the organization, I think it's incumbent on someone making that argument to outline what those changes actually are and what chance they have of succeeding in a league that prizes good defensemen as highly as it does.
Either way, the signing of Marincin has nothing to do with that larger issue. Nobody here or in the Leafs front office is working under the impression that signing him is fixing the issues with the team.
Guilt Trip
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Exactly, well said. It's a depth move at best for the Marlies.Nik the Trik said:
Maybe lol.Zee said:
herman
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Bender said:
I think he could cover Hainsey duties just fine for a fraction of the cost in the event we don?t manage to land an addition at the top of the depth chart. Like we are pretty committed to having to use Holl in some capacity and Marincin is an established partner we should?ve been using since the beginning of last season.
Guilt Trip
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I don't know if he can be an NHLer but the Leafs killed Holl's development last year. I think with playing time he might be useful. Playung once in months doesnt work.