Pacioretty Traded to Vegas
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OldTimeHockey
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Ichiro Suzuki?
OldTimeHockey
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It actually doesn't look like too bad of a deal for Montreal. I guess it will all depend on whether Suzuki can produce in the NHL or not.
Yeah that's much better than I would have expected Bergevin to get.
Montreal's projected line-up is looking pretty fugly now though. Here's hoping Price has a huge rebound season and drags them to like 8th last or something.
Montreal's projected line-up is looking pretty fugly now though. Here's hoping Price has a huge rebound season and drags them to like 8th last or something.
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Frank E said:
McPhee is really bad at asset management. He gave up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Tatar, now flips him in a salary dump just 6 months later and throws in another 2nd round pick while giving away a good prospect in Suzuki.
So basically he gave up:
1st
2nd, 2nd
3rd
Suzuki
for Pacioretty
1.5 weeks ago:
https://twitter.com/InRodWeTrustMTL/status/1035292572279861249
Today:
https://twitter.com/SNkylebukauskas/status/1039144083942387712
https://twitter.com/InRodWeTrustMTL/status/1035292572279861249
Today:
https://twitter.com/SNkylebukauskas/status/1039144083942387712
Zee said:
The original Tatar trade was a disaster (especially after he was healthy scratched in the playoffs), but I think he at least did good to rebound here and get value out of Tatar.
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CarltonTheBear said:
Meh, Pacioretty is only replacing Neal on Vegas, so they're no further ahead for on-ice talent, and if Patches doesn't sign an extension with Vegas it's a bad deal losing a 2nd and Suzuki for 1 year of this guy. Sure Tatar is a salary dump but not like the Habs care, they can treat him like a Robidas since they're going to be garbage anyway.
Zee said:
I'll take Pacioretty over Neal every day of the week. It's not even close really. Sure he's coming off a pretty bad year but the Habs were a complete trainwreck. From 13-14 to 16-17 Pacioretty was 4th in the league in goals. He's a stud. Signing him is obviously critical now but it's worth the risk. Suzuki is a good prospect and all and like I said I think the Habs did well to get him, but I don't really think he's got elite 1st line potential or anything like that.
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Zee said:
Latest word is the trade is contingent on Patches signing an extension with Vegas. I got a score alert stating that but haven't seen it anywhere else to post here right now.
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CarltonTheBear said:
By what measure are you giving Pacioretty a clear head and shoulders better than Neal? Statistically speaking they're nearly identical with Neal having a slightly better goals per game rate (0.374 vs. 0.361) and Patches a slightly better assists per game rate (0.355 vs. 0.330)
Zee said:
I'm not really sure why you'd use their career rates here. What Pacioretty did at the age of 20 doesn't really matter. Over the last 5 seasons Pacioretty has the edge in goals per game (0.42 vs. 0.37), assists per game (0.36 vs. 0.32) and naturally points per game (0.78 vs. 0.69). He's also done this while his primary centres were Danault, Plekanec, and Desharnais. James Neal has had some less-than-great centres too like Riberio and Jarnkrok, but he's also had seasons where Malkin and Johansen were his primary guys.
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CarltonTheBear said:
I was going to write stuff to that effect but since you'd covered it, the other thing I'd add is that when you're looking at a fairly lengthy period of time like five seasons I think using raw totals is just as useful as going per game. Neal missing 12 games per year over that five year stretch does reflect on his value.
TimKerr said:
Their forward changes from last season are basically Perron/Neal for Stastny/Pacioretty. But yeah that's a pretty big upgrade for them I think.
Kin
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Maybe I'm just out on a limb here but this doesn't strike me as that good a deal for the Habs. Suzuki is a good prospect and I guess if they're not really rebuilding it's good to get a prospect a year removed from being drafted instead of a pick but ultimately it's a first and a second and a middle six forward for a potentially elite goal scorer.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's on the better side of things but I really think a first and a second or third would be roughly the minimum you'd expect.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's on the better side of things but I really think a first and a second or third would be roughly the minimum you'd expect.