Petan and Marincin are on waivers

[sickbeast]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/maple-leafs-place-petan-marincin-on-waivers/ar-BBWqkIX?li=AAggNb9

Losing Petan in particular for sweet nothing seems like a real shame to me.

 

[princedpw]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/maple-leafs-place-petan-marincin-on-waivers/ar-BBWqkIX?li=AAggNb9

Losing Petan in particular for sweet nothing seems like a real shame to me.

Well, it seems he just isn?t good enough to make the team. Losing our 14th forward, or whatever, just doesn?t seem like it really matters.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/maple-leafs-place-petan-marincin-on-waivers/ar-BBWqkIX?li=AAggNb9

Losing Petan in particular for sweet nothing seems like a real shame to me.

Well, it seems he just isn?t good enough to make the team. Losing our 14th forward, or whatever, just doesn?t seem like it really matters.

He got claimed? Petan is a numbers game. He's a depth guy that Babs has no use for. Didnt pay anything for him so if they lose him, they gain a contract

 

[Coco-puffs]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/maple-leafs-place-petan-marincin-on-waivers/ar-BBWqkIX?li=AAggNb9

Losing Petan in particular for sweet nothing seems like a real shame to me.

Well, it seems he just isn?t good enough to make the team. Losing our 14th forward, or whatever, just doesn?t seem like it really matters.

He got claimed? Petan is a numbers game. He's a depth guy that Babs has no use for. Didnt pay anything for him so if they lose him, they gain a contract

News drops in 2 minutes of if they cleared or not.

UPDATE, they cleared:

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1192849661964500992

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1192849661964500992

There we go. Marlies are going to be insane.

I should say it's possible one of these guys still gets traded in the near future. The fact that they've cleared waivers might make them more appealing to another team.

 

[Hobbes]

...The fact that they've cleared waivers might make them more appealing to another team.

The logic of that escapes me. Why would a team now be willing to give something up in trade when they could have had the player without giving up any assets for him at all?

 

[herman]

...The fact that they've cleared waivers might make them more appealing to another team.

The logic of that escapes me. Why would a team now be willing to give something up in trade when they could have had the player without giving up any assets for him at all?

Sometimes teams want to move contracts too, be it a contract slot limitation, a change of scenary, or they prefer to have this asset with some movement flexibility between their NHL and farm club.

For example, I am very willing to move Bracco and/or Ceci in a trade to free up cap space and a roster spot and development minutes in the AHL instead of simply adding a new body to the mix.

 

[Coco-puffs]

...The fact that they've cleared waivers might make them more appealing to another team.

The logic of that escapes me. Why would a team now be willing to give something up in trade when they could have had the player without giving up any assets for him at all?

I'd assume the assets they'd have to give up are very little... but they become more attractive to interested teams because the team can acquire the player and they can play in either the NHL or the AHL since they've cleared waivers.  I believe the Leafs acquired Hutchinson AFTER Florida had cleared him through waivers.  The flexibility of sending him down if they wanted to without risking losing him on waivers was beneficial.

 

[Hobbes]

...The fact that they've cleared waivers might make them more appealing to another team.

The logic of that escapes me. Why would a team now be willing to give something up in trade when they could have had the player without giving up any assets for him at all?

I'd assume the assets they'd have to give up are very little... but they become more attractive to interested teams because the team can acquire the player and they can play in either the NHL or the AHL since they've cleared waivers.  I believe the Leafs acquired Hutchinson AFTER Florida had cleared him through waivers.  The flexibility of sending him down if they wanted to without risking losing him on waivers was beneficial.

Okay...I suppose I can see that provided the expected trade value is something almost negligible (late round pick or whatever)

 

[bustaheims]

Okay...I suppose I can see that provided the expected trade value is something almost negligible (late round pick or whatever)

For guys like this, it basically always is - conditional 6th or 7th round pick, equivalent organizational depth piece at a different position, etc.

 

[Frank E]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1192849661964500992

There we go. Marlies are going to be insane.

I should say it's possible one of these guys still gets traded in the near future. The fact that they've cleared waivers might make them more appealing to another team.

Do they have to be sent to the Marlies, or can they just hang out and practice with the Leafs?

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1192849661964500992

There we go. Marlies are going to be insane.

I should say it's possible one of these guys still gets traded in the near future. The fact that they've cleared waivers might make them more appealing to another team.

Do they have to be sent to the Marlies, or can they just hang out and practice with the Leafs?

Petan was loaned. Marincin is still with the Leafs.

 

[bustaheims]

Do they have to be sent to the Marlies, or can they just hang out and practice with the Leafs?

They can stick around, if the team wants. They'll just require waivers to be sent down after 30 days on the roster or 10 games in the lineup.

And, as herman notes, Marincin is still on the roster as of right now.

 

[Frank E]

Thanks boys, I thought so.

I figure the Marlies are full of defencemen at the moment, and still have Duszak and Hollowell with the Growlers (hehe)...combine this with them wanting Sandin and Liljegren to be playing big minutes.  I don't think there is really a need for Marincin to be with the Marlies.

But I guess I could say the same about Petan, although maybe they're still hoping he finds some more game.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I figure the Marlies are full of defencemen at the moment, and still have Duszak and Hollowell with the Growlers (hehe)...combine this with them wanting Sandin and Liljegren to be playing big minutes.  I don't think there is really a need for Marincin to be with the Marlies.

The Marlies have done a pretty good job so far balancing their defence group. They've used 8 defencemen and so far Liljegren is the only one to play all 11 games. The pairs have generally looked like this:

Sandin (7GP)-Liljegren (11GP)
Harpur (9)-Schmaltz (9)
Kivihalme (9)-Gravel (6)
Rubins (8 )-Lindgren (7)

Granted this was slightly easier earlier in the season when one of Sandin or Gravel were up with the Leafs for a bit. Rotating 9 guys on a consistent basis could be tougher. Maybe Rubins gets sent back to the ECHL where he spent most of last season. Or they could look to move Harpur to another AHL team that needs him. I doubt he's anywhere in the Leafs future plans.

 

[ZBBM]

I figure the Marlies are full of defencemen at the moment, and still have Duszak and Hollowell with the Growlers (hehe)...combine this with them wanting Sandin and Liljegren to be playing big minutes.  I don't think there is really a need for Marincin to be with the Marlies.

The Marlies have done a pretty good job so far balancing their defence group. They've used 8 defencemen and so far Liljegren is the only one to play all 11 games. The pairs have generally looked like this:

Sandin (7GP)-Liljegren (11GP)
Harpur (9)-Schmaltz (9)
Kivihalme (9)-Gravel (6)
Rubins (8 )-Lindgren (7)

Granted this was slightly easier earlier in the season when one of Sandin or Gravel were up with the Leafs for a bit. Rotating 9 guys on a consistent basis could be tougher. Maybe Rubins gets sent back to the ECHL where he spent most of last season. Or they could look to move Harpur to another AHL team that needs him. I doubt he's anywhere in the Leafs future plans.

Screw it.  Bring up 38 & 37, waive Ceci & Barrie, and let's get on with the future of the Leafs D.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Screw it.  Bring up 38 & 37, waive Ceci & Barrie, and let's get on with the future of the Leafs D.

I know this was said somewhat in jest, but if Barrie's play doesn't improve by say January I wonder if the Leafs just admit that he wasn't a good fit and explore flipping him. I think that's more likely than Ceci being traded at this point.

Of course I'd much rather just see Barrie rebound.

 

[Frank E]

Screw it.  Bring up 38 & 37, waive Ceci & Barrie, and let's get on with the future of the Leafs D.

I know this was said somewhat in jest, but if Barrie's play doesn't improve by say January I wonder if the Leafs just admit that he wasn't a good fit and explore flipping him. I think that's more likely than Ceci being traded at this point.

Of course I'd much rather just see Barrie rebound.

He's on my shit list too.

 

[Highlander]

Screw it.  Bring up 38 & 37, waive Ceci & Barrie, and let's get on with the future of the Leafs D.

I know this was said somewhat in jest, but if Barrie's play doesn't improve by say January I wonder if the Leafs just admit that he wasn't a good fit and explore flipping him. I think that's more likely than Ceci being traded at this point.

Of course I'd much rather just see Barrie rebound.

He's on my shit list too.

Don't you mean your crap list?

 

[Bender]

Screw it.  Bring up 38 & 37, waive Ceci & Barrie, and let's get on with the future of the Leafs D.

I know this was said somewhat in jest, but if Barrie's play doesn't improve by say January I wonder if the Leafs just admit that he wasn't a good fit and explore flipping him. I think that's more likely than Ceci being traded at this point.

Of course I'd much rather just see Barrie rebound.

He's on my shit list too.

Don't you mean your crap list?

Living in Toronto, I for one, don't want to take any more of Barrie's crap.

*Checks notes

Oh we're taking about the player...