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Trade Deadline Options

slapshot

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What do the Leafs do come trade deadline?

The good news is there is a serious battle for final playoff spots going on out west. Only 10 points separate nine teams from 4th place Chicago to 12th place LA. Desperation to make the playoffs may exceed the Leafs desperation to deal. Also, anyone they trade out west isn't going to a conference or more particularly division rival.

Of the nine teams battling for 5 spots, I'd rank them as most likely, moderately likely and least likely trade partners. Factors of course include their needs, cap space and players, picks they are willing to part with.

Least likely Chicago, already in pretty good shape, no cap space, pretty solid line-up. Who would they want to part with? Winnipeg, though in free-fall also, we need to deal Phanuef or Franson and they are in pretty good shape on the blueline. Do we really want Kane?

Moderately likely: Calgary. Burke traded for Phaneuf once already. Vancouver, they've got an older team that needs to do a now or never. San Jose, they are also a bit of a now or never, not sure who'd come back our way though.

Most likely Colorado. Their top two D-men are injured but they've been making a push. O'Reilly has only one year left on contract, and MacKinnon has only a year left before restricted free agency. You do the math. They are in a bit of a cap crunch themselves, but if we took back salary something could happen. Los Angeles. Falling out of playoffs would be a real embarrassment. They need help on D as well but also in cap crunch. We'd need to take back salary as well. Justin Williams might be nice, but Richards might be more likely if a high pick or prospect was attached to the deal. Minnesota. They paid some big bucks to Parise and Suter. Missing the playoffs would not go over well. They have cap space. Who would the Leafs target? Ditto for Dallas, available cap space and trouble on defence. Like Minny, missing the playoffs would be a step backwards.

I think the Leafs have a real opportunity to capitalize on what's going on out west. May be a silver lining in the dark cloud. I would be more focused, however, on trying to shed some of the core than on dumping UFAs like Santorelli or Winnick. These guys actually play pretty hard but won't command anything major. We'd just have to replace them anyway and probably won't be big cap hits. As long as their demands are reasonable and they want to stay, I'd soon move some bigger ticket items if possible.

Does anyone have any insight on trade windows for guys like Phaneuf or we could only hope Clarkson?


 
slapshot said:
Most likely Colorado. Their top two D-men are injured but they've been making a push. O'Reilly has only one year left on contract, and MacKinnon has only a year left before unrestricted free agency. You do the math. They are in a bit of a cap crunch themselves, but if we took back salary something could happen. Los Angeles. Falling out of playoffs would be a real embarrassment. They need help on D as well but also in cap crunch. We'd need to take back salary as well. Justin Williams might be nice, but Richards might be more likely if a high pick or prospect was attached to the deal. Minnesota. They paid some big bucks to Parise and Suter. Missing the playoffs would not go over well. They have cap space. Who would the Leafs target? Ditto for Dallas, available cap space and trouble on defence. Like Minny, missing the playoffs would be a step backwards.

Restricted Free Agency?

I agree...I would target teams out west.  This is a prime opportunity to build up assets.
 
Not trading guys like Santorelli and Winnik is basically like ignoring found money. Players of their calibre are always available in the off-season and cheaply, you know, the exact same way the Leafs got them.
 
AvroArrow said:
Trade everything except Nylander and Reilly and stockpile as many 1sts as possible.

As good and as deep as this year's draft is, the team still has to be conscious about getting value back for their players. For instance, you're not likely to find a JvR type with the late 1sts they'll be able to acquire in a trade, and you're almost certainly not going to find a Kessel. The focus needs to be on high value assets, not just draft picks, and, in the case of the Leafs' bigger pieces, that means more along the lines of good young players or top notch prospects as well as or instead of picks.
 
bustaheims said:
AvroArrow said:
Trade everything except Nylander and Reilly and stockpile as many 1sts as possible.

As good and as deep as this year's draft is, the team still has to be conscious about getting value back for their players. For instance, you're not likely to find a JvR type with the late 1sts they'll be able to acquire in a trade, and you're almost certainly not going to find a Kessel. The focus needs to be on high value assets, not just draft picks, and, in the case of the Leafs' bigger pieces, that means more along the lines of good young players or top notch prospects as well as or instead of picks.

Hey, if they're able to pickup elite prospects/youngins (like a Seth Jones), I'm all for it.  I just don't expect any teams to be offering them up.  Hence where the firsts come in.
 
jdh1 said:
Please no Evander Kane coming this way.

Hey!!!    >:(

Clarkson has a great reputation with coaches and possibly the players demonstrated by the rank of assistant captain bestowed on him. He has 10 goals exactly like Kane, Clarkson has 5 years left at $5.25, Kane has 3 left at $5.25.

If the Leafs sweeten the pot a bit by adding another piece and maybe eating 20% MIL of Clarkson's contract for the remaining 5 years it might happen.  Kane could be the perfect 2nd line LH shot for Lupul and Kadri.
 
Britishbulldog said:
jdh1 said:
Please no Evander Kane coming this way.

Hey!!!    >:(

Clarkson has a great reputation with coaches and possibly the players demonstrated by the rank of assistant captain bestowed on him. He has 10 goals exactly like Kane, Clarkson has 5 years left at $5.25, Kane has 3 left at $5.25.

If the Leafs sweeten the pot a bit by adding another piece and maybe eating 20% MIL of Clarkson's contract for the remaining 5 years it might happen.  Kane could be the perfect 2nd line LH shot for Lupul and Kadri.
I don't see it.He would be in the spot light in Toronto,and probably would cave to the pressure.
I can see him mailing it in on many nights,just like half the players now are doing.
Without trying to be bias or anything,I'm all for more players raised in Ontario that would want to thrive in TO.That would have more heart to see their home town team win.
I'd like to see at least half the team be from Ontario.







I'm hoping Shanahan and Hunter & company see this.
 
Kane's injury history is already a pretty significant concern. Multiple lower body/leg issues, a significant concussion and other smaller things. He's a physical player, and they do often suffer from more injuries, but it's still a major red flag for me. I brought this up in another thread, but, he's basically a younger, more physical version of Lupul. Similar production and similar injury risk. He's rapidly becoming a guy you can't expect to have in your lineup on a night in, night out basis. Throw the factor that's he's been disciplined for his off-ice behaviour/failure to meet the team's rules on at least two occasions in the last couple seasons, and it's not a pretty picture.

That being said, if he is going to be traded, I imagine a number of other teams will be in a position to put together a much better offer than the Leafs could, so, I don't think it's something we need to worry about.
 
jdh1 said:
Without trying to be bias or anything,I'm all for more players raised in Ontario that would want to thrive in TO.That would have more heart to see their home town team win.
I'd like to see at least half the team be from Ontario.

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Nik the Trik said:
jdh1 said:
Without trying to be bias or anything,I'm all for more players raised in Ontario that would want to thrive in TO.That would have more heart to see their home town team win.
I'd like to see at least half the team be from Ontario.

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Not his fault for being over paid...At least he's not a quiter.
 
jdh1 said:
Nik the Trik said:
jdh1 said:
Without trying to be bias or anything,I'm all for more players raised in Ontario that would want to thrive in TO.That would have more heart to see their home town team win.
I'd like to see at least half the team be from Ontario.

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Not his fault for being over paid...At least he's not a quiter.

True. He may be the worst forward on a terrible Leafs team, but just think of how bad he'd be if he was a quitter.
 
pmrules said:
slapshot said:
Most likely Colorado. Their top two D-men are injured but they've been making a push. O'Reilly has only one year left on contract, and MacKinnon has only a year left before unrestricted free agency. You do the math. They are in a bit of a cap crunch themselves, but if we took back salary something could happen. Los Angeles. Falling out of playoffs would be a real embarrassment. They need help on D as well but also in cap crunch. We'd need to take back salary as well. Justin Williams might be nice, but Richards might be more likely if a high pick or prospect was attached to the deal. Minnesota. They paid some big bucks to Parise and Suter. Missing the playoffs would not go over well. They have cap space. Who would the Leafs target? Ditto for Dallas, available cap space and trouble on defence. Like Minny, missing the playoffs would be a step backwards.

Restricted Free Agency?

I agree...I would target teams out west.  This is a prime opportunity to build up assets.

Yes, that's what I meant RFA. Nice catch, I modified the post.
 
jdh1 said:
Not his fault for being over paid...At least he's not a quiter.

So I guess the reason he can't stay on his skates is because he keeps tripping over all of his heart?
 
Nik the Trik said:
jdh1 said:
Not his fault for being over paid...At least he's not a quiter.

So I guess the reason he can't stay on his skates is because he keeps tripping over all of his heart?

His bleeding heart is making him fall down like a drunken hobo all the time.
The guys obviously have respect for him by putting an A on his jersey tho.

I'd like to see us try and keep Santo if possible. He has a solid work ethic and always plays his ass off...something that we want imprinted on everyone's forehead.  Yes we could get a 2nd for him... but what is it 10-15% of 2nd round picks play over 100 games? I just think Santo has more value to us here then traded away for someone we hope might one day be as good all around as he is.
 
Nik the Trik said:
jdh1 said:
Not his fault for being over paid...At least he's not a quiter.

So I guess the reason he can't stay on his skates is because he keeps tripping over all of his heart?

Who would you rather have? An underpaid 'quiter'? An even-market half-heart?
 
Absolutely Philthy said:
I'd like to see us try and keep Santo if possible. He has a solid work ethic and always plays his ass off...something that we want imprinted on everyone's forehead.  Yes we could get a 2nd for him... but what is it 10-15% of 2nd round picks play over 100 games? I just think Santo has more value to us here then traded away for someone we hope might one day be as good all around as he is.

It's really not about that. The Leafs aren't likely to be a contending team before the type of contract it would make sense to sign Santorelli to runs out. By then, he's approaching his mid 30s and his usefulness is declining. On the flip side, that 2nd round pick that you're so skeptical of has a real chance of becoming a significantly better player than Santorelli. This year's draft is being favourably compared to the 2003 draft, and, the 2nd round that year included players like Bergeron, Weber and Backes. Other 2nd round picks over since then include Krejci, Lucic, Subban, Stastny, Neal, etc. There's a lot of high end talent still potentially available in the 2nd round, and not taking advantage of the opportunity to acquire some of that in order to retain a player that won't be around when the Leafs are a contending team is a big part of the reason they're in the position they currently are.

Your odds are also off. Between 1/3 and half of 2nd round picks from most drafts play 100+ games.
 
bustaheims said:
Absolutely Philthy said:
I'd like to see us try and keep Santo if possible. He has a solid work ethic and always plays his ass off...something that we want imprinted on everyone's forehead.  Yes we could get a 2nd for him... but what is it 10-15% of 2nd round picks play over 100 games? I just think Santo has more value to us here then traded away for someone we hope might one day be as good all around as he is.

It's really not about that. The Leafs aren't likely to be a contending team before the type of contract it would make sense to sign Santorelli to runs out. By then, he's approaching his mid 30s and his usefulness is declining. On the flip side, that 2nd round pick that you're so skeptical of has a real chance of becoming a significantly better player than Santorelli. This year's draft is being favourably compared to the 2003 draft, and, the 2nd round that year included players like Bergeron, Weber and Backes. Other 2nd round picks over since then include Krejci, Lucic, Subban, Stastny, Neal, etc. There's a lot of high end talent still potentially available in the 2nd round, and not taking advantage of the opportunity to acquire some of that in order to retain a player that won't be around when the Leafs are a contending team is a big part of the reason they're in the position they currently are.

Your odds are also off. Between 1/3 and half of 2nd round picks from most drafts play 100+ games.

I don't think there is any guarantee we'd get a 2nd round pick.
 

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