Which Dman would you add in a trade?

[Pucken Chronic]

Had a long drawn out argument last night about this. If the Leafs do in fact make a trade for a top 6 forward that can make a difference and in the package the Leafs had to throw in 1 Dman (except for our Captain of course, or Komi 'cause of salary reasons) which guy would you most like to see go. I actually like this group and have no idea which guy I'd want to see leave. So who is and/or will be the least valuable to the Leafs?

 

[maplesyrup]

At least one guy is getting moved. I'm 100% positive of this.  That said, I have no idea who and the answer to your question rests entirely I suppose on what the return is.

 

[Kin]

Liles. Hands-down.

 

[Jalili]

Had a long drawn out argument last night about this. If the Leafs do in fact make a trade for a top 6 forward that can make a difference and in the package the Leafs had to throw in 1 Dman (except for our Captain of course, or Komi 'cause of salary reasons) which guy would you most like to see go. I actually like this group and have no idea which guy I'd want to see leave. So who is and/or will be the least valuable to the Leafs?

If Dion and Komi can't be included like you said, then it would make some sense to trade either Franson or Schenn. That's simply because all 4 of those guys play the right side and we only have 3 spots for them.

I wouldn't be against trading Aulie either though, for the right package. Or Liles since he's an upcoming UFA.

 

[Kessel_81]

Gunnarson

 

[bustaheims]

Aulie. As much as I like him, I think he has the lowest ceiling of the younger guys and he's also probably the easiest to replace. In fact, the Leafs may already have replacement in house with Holzer.

 

[Kin]

Aulie. As much as I like him, I think he has the lowest ceiling of the younger guys and he's also probably the easiest to replace.

That's fair. There's also probably the most duplication with Aulie.

 

[Peter D.]

Aulie. As much as I like him, I think he has the lowest ceiling of the younger guys and he's also probably the easiest to replace. In fact, the Leafs may already have replacement in house with Holzer.

He's my answer as well.

But in terms of obtaining that top 6 forward as proposed (or that elusive 1st line centre), he's the least likely to be able to accomplish that. 

 

[bustaheims]

But in terms of obtaining that top 6 forward as proposed (or that elusive 1st line centre), he's the least likely to be able to accomplish that.

Well, that depends on who/what else in involved in the deal. The original proposal did talk about it being part of a package.

 

[maplesyrup]

Would Aulie on his own be enough for Ruutu? I honestly don't know if that would be an overpayment or an underpayment so perhaps it's close?

 

[ZBBM]

Well, I reject the idea that Phaneuf is untouchable.  He's the one I think would be the best to move to get a high-end forward.

 

[Tigger]

Would Aulie on his own be enough for Ruutu? I honestly don't know if that would be an overpayment or an underpayment so perhaps it's close?

I wouldn't trade practically any player for Ruutu. I don't see the team in a solid position to be trading any assets for rentals or almost any player they could acquire as ufas the following year.

 

[maplesyrup]

Would Aulie on his own be enough for Ruutu? I honestly don't know if that would be an overpayment or an underpayment so perhaps it's close?

I wouldn't trade practically any player for Ruutu. I don't see the team in a solid position to be trading any assets for rentals or almost any player they could acquire as ufas the following year.

It goes against what I said some time ago about thinking long term only but I'm thinking the opportunity might exist to re-sign him. I think he's exactly the kind of player we need.

 

[Peter D.]

But in terms of obtaining that top 6 forward as proposed (or that elusive 1st line centre), he's the least likely to be able to accomplish that.

Well, that depends on who/what else in involved in the deal. The original proposal did talk about it being part of a package.

Unless a package were to include Kessel or Lupul, I personally don't see a team asking for Aulie over Schenn/Gardiner/Franson in such a deal. 

But we never know who Burke will pull a fast one on.

 

[Tigger]

Would Aulie on his own be enough for Ruutu? I honestly don't know if that would be an overpayment or an underpayment so perhaps it's close?

I wouldn't trade practically any player for Ruutu. I don't see the team in a solid position to be trading any assets for rentals or almost any player they could acquire as ufas the following year.

It goes against what I said some time ago about thinking long term only but I'm thinking the opportunity might exist to re-sign him. I think he's exactly the kind of player we need.

Either way I think Aulie might be an overpayment, fwiw, I'm not sure a player needs to go back in a deal for him but it's hard to say from Carolina's end.

 

[bustaheims]

Unless a package were to include Kessel or Lupul, I personally don't see a team asking for Aulie over Schenn/Gardiner/Franson in such a deal. 

But we never know who Burke will pull a fast one on.

Well, obviously, GMs are going to ask for those guys, but, unless we're talking about guys like Ryan and Getzlaf, I think most GMs are smart enough to know they're unlikely to get them in return.

 

[gunnar36]

Gunnarson

I think you gotta keep Gunnarson simply because he is a solid player who can eat a lot of minutes but isn't going to command a high salary simply because he isn't flashy in any particular area.  On a team where they have a huge payroll tied up on their D, having Gunnarson helps keep that somewhat in check.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Gunnarson

I think you gotta keep Gunnarson simply because he is a solid player who can eat a lot of minutes but isn't going to command a high salary simply because he isn't flashy in any particular area.  On a team where they have a huge payroll tied up on their D, having Gunnarson helps keep that somewhat in check.

Not true.  Jeff Finger wasn't flashy and that didn't stop a GM from overpaying for him. I think your blueline has to be physical, else it will be manhandled in the playoffs.  Gunnarson should go because he isn't physical and he doesn't have an offensive game like Gardner or Liles has.

 

[Zee]

Gunnarson

I think you gotta keep Gunnarson simply because he is a solid player who can eat a lot of minutes but isn't going to command a high salary simply because he isn't flashy in any particular area.  On a team where they have a huge payroll tied up on their D, having Gunnarson helps keep that somewhat in check.

Not true.  Jeff Finger wasn't flashy and that didn't stop a GM from overpaying for him. I think your blueline has to be physical, else it will be manhandled in the playoffs.  Gunnarson should go because he isn't physical and he doesn't have an offensive game like Gardner or Liles has.

Gunnarson is the most important d-man the Leafs have.  He makes any partner he plays with better, and he's cheap.  They can't afford to lose him. 

 

[Optimus Reimer]

Had a long drawn out argument last night about this. If the Leafs do in fact make a trade for a top 6 forward that can make a difference and in the package the Leafs had to throw in 1 Dman (except for our Captain of course, or Komi 'cause of salary reasons) which guy would you most like to see go. I actually like this group and have no idea which guy I'd want to see leave. So who is and/or will be the least valuable to the Leafs?

If Dion and Komi can't be included like you said, then it would make some sense to trade either Franson or Schenn. That's simply because all 4 of those guys play the right side and we only have 3 spots for them.

I wouldn't be against trading Aulie either though, for the right package. Or Liles since he's an upcoming UFA.

I disagree that Komi is not moveable.  Burke has proven in the past that expensive contracts can be moved.  As well, Komi of late has been playing decently which would be attractive to another GM who needs some toughness on his team. 

Other than that, I would be hesitant to move any of the other 7 d-men.  They are young and if kept together can be molded into a very good unit.  As well, if Komi is moved after Liles returns, but a d-man gets injured, that leaves only 6 healthy d-men.  I would rather have that extra d-man in case of injuries or to rest one of the other d-men.