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2011 Blue Jays/MLB Thread

Floyd said:
Are the Cubs much further away then the Jays?
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I think so. They lost 91 games this year, their farm system isn't highly regarded and they're probably going to walk away from Aramis Ramirez.

Floyd said:
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There are a lot of folks who believe Fielder would be a good fit here.
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I can't answer for them but part of that probably has more to do with how little the team got from Lind as opposed to how great Fielder is.
 
Saint Nik said:
Floyd said:
Are the Cubs much further away then the Jays?
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I think so. They lost 91 games this year, their farm system isn't highly regarded and they're probably going to walk away from Aramis Ramirez.

Floyd said:
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There are a lot of folks who believe Fielder would be a good fit here.
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I can't answer for them but part of that probably has more to do with how little the team got from Lind as opposed to how great Fielder is.
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Really? I though Lind played "B" or "B-" ball for us this year. Good but not great.
 
Floyd said:
Really? I though Lind played "B" or "B-" ball for us this year. Good but not great.
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His WAR of 0.7 is really run-of-the-mill, and very disappointing for a middle of the order bat.
 
Floyd said:
Really? I though Lind played "B" or "B-" ball for us this year. Good but not great.
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BR has his WAR at .7. Fangraphs has him even lower at .5. That's barely above replacement.
 
Floyd said:
Hey, he doesn't decide where he hits.
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It's not exactly stellar for an every day player, regardless of where he hits in the line-up either. I mean, Jose Molina had a WAR of 1.0 as the backup catcher. Johnny Mac as a bench player - 0.8. Heck, even Kelly Johnson was at 0.9 in the less than 2 months he was with the team. If he was a bench bat, then, sure, 0.7 is fine, but, for an every day guy that's supposed to be a major contributor . . . between his OPS of 95 and his WAR - B or B- ball is being awfully generous. He wasn't a complete failure, but, he was decidedly mediocre.
 
For a little context, using BR's WAR, Lind contributed as much value to the team as Jesse Litsch this year and a little less than Kelly Johnson did in 30 or so games.
 
Busta Reims said:
It's not exactly stellar for an every day player, regardless of where he hits in the line-up either. I mean, Jose Molina had a WAR of 1.0 as the backup catcher. Johnny Mac as a bench player - 0.8. Heck, even Kelly Johnson was at 0.9 in the less than 2 months he was with the team. If he was a bench bat, then, sure, 0.7 is fine, but, for an every day guy that's supposed to be a major contributor . . . between his OPS of 95 and his WAR - B or B- ball is being awfully generous. He wasn't a complete failure, but, he was decidedly mediocre.
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I'd be a little harsher than that. Having a sub .300 OBP is pretty awful for an every day player regardless of position.
 
Saint Nik said:
I'd be a little harsher than that. Having a sub .300 OBP is pretty awful for an every day player regardless of position.
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True, but an OPS+ of 95 is only slightly below average, so, I figured I'd split the difference and give him a mediocre.
 
Busta Reims said:
True, but an OPS+ of 95 is only slightly below average, so, I figured I'd split the difference and give him a mediocre.
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But that's the problem with OPS. SLG is important but OBP is the more important metric.

Anyways, the real issue with Lind is that, using BR, his WAR is half defense. His OWar is .4 which is pretty tragic. That's barely higher than what Mike McCoy contributed with the bat.
 
Tough luck for Zack Greinke. Three errors lead to three unearned runs, 5-1 Cardinals after 6. Looks like game 6 will be up to Mr. October - Shaun Marcum. :o

Edit: Milwaukee has had its chances. After doubling in the first, Ryan Braun has gone 0-3, leaving 6 men on base.
 
Scherzer completely fell apart after getting the first out in the third inning tonight. Three runs later, he was yanked with the bases loaded. Not the kind of pitching the Tigers need if they want to win this series.

Edit: 9 runs later, this game and series are likely over - 9-2 Rangers. Michael Young has had a terrible playoff, but had two two-run doubles in that inning.
 
Texas Rangers crowned ALCS winners after walloping the Tigers 15-5, and a 4 games to 2 series triumph.  Rangers' Cruz was named ALCS MVP.

Source:  Sportsnet
 
I'd really like to see the Brewers vs. the Rangers... Two franchises battling over a championship which neither have one. - Rangers 0 for 2, Brewers 0 for 1. 
 
Not looking good for the Brewers already after half an inning. Former Jay Shaun Marcum continues his playoff choke job by giving up four runs in the top of the first. He has been absolutely terrible in the playoffs, with a 12.46 ERA coming into today.

Corey Hart homered to lead off the bottom half for the Brewers, but it is still 4-1 after 1.

Edit: Wow - Narveson comes out to start the 2nd for Milwaukee. How are the Brewers liking that Lawrie trade now?

Edit2: After the Brewers got back to 5-4 after 2, the pitching blew it again - Narveson and Hawkins combined to give up another 4 runs, and it is 9-4 now.
 
Cardinals finish off the Brewers 12-8 to win the NLCS 4 games to 2.  St. Louis' home-grown talent David Freese was NLCS MVP.
 
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