bustaheims
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Hampreacher said:
I think you answered your own question.
2012 CBA Negotiations Thread
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I think you answered your own question.
Rebel_1812
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I think the media is taking the owners side of this thingl; which kind of explains this quoting from an unknown source. They don't want to lose their cushy press boxes and other perks that frankly the players don't provide.
bustaheims
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Rebel_1812 said:
Clearly, you haven't read anything by James Mirtle, Larry Brooks, Chris Botta, etc.
GhostofPotvin29
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Yeah it's probably pretty evenly split between writers who are sympathetic to the players, to the owners, and those that are pretty much neutral in their reporting.
Kin
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Rebel_1812 said:
I think it's less about any perks than it is the transitional nature of players. A management source is likely to be in the game longer and be with the same team longer so it pays off more for a local writer to cultivate a management source than it does one among the players.
hockeyfan1
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Donald Fehr's view...
Donald Fehr maintains that the NHL and the NHLPA were close to a deal before talks broke off Thursday night.
Fehr told reporters afterwards that he thought the owners and players were "very close" to agreeing to a new collective bargaining agreement before talks broke down in New York.
...he adds negotiations are further ahead than they were a week ago, even after negotiations collapsed.
Fehr says there is a tentative agreement over a pension plan but that other key issues, including salaries, are farther away from being settled.
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http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhlpa-boss-donald-fehr-maintains-league-union-were-203219357--nhl.html
Donald Fehr maintains that the NHL and the NHLPA were close to a deal before talks broke off Thursday night.
Fehr told reporters afterwards that he thought the owners and players were "very close" to agreeing to a new collective bargaining agreement before talks broke down in New York.
...he adds negotiations are further ahead than they were a week ago, even after negotiations collapsed.
Fehr says there is a tentative agreement over a pension plan but that other key issues, including salaries, are farther away from being settled.
From:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhlpa-boss-donald-fehr-maintains-league-union-were-203219357--nhl.html
GhostofPotvin29
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Numbers dump for you all, even though numbers scare me.
And non-numbers, but to finish his string of tweets:
And non-numbers, but to finish his string of tweets:
hockeyfan1
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Well, if the NHL and the PA really want a season, then it's really up to them to come up with some more magic formulations to get this deal done and end the lockout once and for all.
Read somewhere that Bettman stated that 48 games and no less will make for a season. Which means time, gentlemen, is of the essence. Time, gentlemen, please. For yourselves, the league's (already part-laughable) reputation, and ultimately, for the fans.
Read somewhere that Bettman stated that 48 games and no less will make for a season. Which means time, gentlemen, is of the essence. Time, gentlemen, please. For yourselves, the league's (already part-laughable) reputation, and ultimately, for the fans.
Everytime someone writes that the owners now have 50/50 so they have what they wanted is really not being truthful. They do not have 50/50. The offers so far have been 50/50 sometime in the future and latest offer has 50/50 right now plus $300 million . If the players were offering 50/50 right now with no conditions I would be will to bet the owners would be a little less pushy on contract lenth.
maplesyrup
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Potvin29 said:
This is probably while I'm still in the player's camp (if in any at all.) I mean, the league got a huge concession there by the players. I honestly can't see why the league can't give a little on contact term and CBA term. Instead of 5/7 with 5% varience, they can't live with say, 6/8 with a 10?
The CBA term that the league will not give on is in relation to the $300 million make whole dollars. The $300 million is payable over the life of the deal. If the players want the $300 million they have to take the 10 years. Reduce one and you have to reduce the other. Seems pretty simply to me. Now the contract lenght na dvariance makes little sense to me. I can see why you fight for one or the other but I really don'y see a need for both.
Kin
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Rob L said:
They might but in fairness that's not what the players put forth. The players put forth a flat 8 year maximum that can vary by as much as 75%. I don't think the difference between 5/10% in that regard matters much to either side. The players right now want contracts where they can get a significant chunk of money up front and neither 5 or 10 percent variance does that.
The flat 50 Nik is based on increased revenue and that would lead to the make whole dollars not being needed. That's why the owners want the 10 year payable timeframe. They want to be able to push revenues fast enough to limit the amount of make whole actually needed. The $300 million figure is a max amount and realistically may be significantly less.
maplesyrup
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Nik V. Debs said:
My point was more that I think the league ought to give a little on this rather than establish the actual amount. Make it 20%, I don't care. There's lots of room here.
Kin
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Nitty gritty aside though...maybe it's just me but despite Thursday's weirdness I'm now more confident than ever that we'll see a season. The NHL can make all sorts of noise about hills they want to die on but if there's one thing this week has taught us? The players have no hills. They're willing to negotiate on everything. I thought the contract term might be the last sacred cow but if they buckled and bailed on that one...I bet a deal is done before I run out of Menorah candles.
maplesyrup
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Nik V. Debs said:
I am with you on this Nik, there should be a deal here to be had. I think the owners should push varience in return for longer contracts. On the agreement length maybe stick with the 10 for make whole payout reasons and allow each side an out after 7??? What do you say Nik do we have a deal so we can get back to regular Sat nights?
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