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2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

When I think of this scenario, I'm reminded of the adage "If it's too good to be true, it probably is".  JF has been, I think, OK, maybe borderline 'meh', and we're to believe that the Red Sox would trade a young, talented front end starter for him?  A starter that, reportedly, two years ago they refused to include in any Roy Halladay trade?  :o
 
Letting Farrell go as his personal preference or to cater to Boston's wants and needs is one thing (which they squashed last year with the rule they put in place).  The Blue Jays can't come off as a pushover.

But if the Blue Jays were able to "trade" Farrell for a guy like Bucholz, who would improve the rotation, I think it'd be silly not to let Farrell go.  I'd be hard pressed not to trade a manager for a player who fills a hole that desperately needs filling.  And after two seasons, albeit a small sample size, Farrell does not strikes me as the type of manager you have to keep at all costs.
 
Champ Kind said:
When I think of this scenario, I'm reminded of the adage "If it's too good to be true, it probably is".  JF has been, I think, OK, maybe borderline 'meh', and we're to believe that the Red Sox would trade a young, talented front end starter for him?  A starter that, reportedly, two years ago they refused to include in any Roy Halladay trade?  :o
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Yeah but look at Boston's situation right now and how much it has changed since that trade.  They've had a rather embarrassing year, made a terrible decision to hire Valentine and everything that could have gone wrong went wrong.  There has been nearly a season long leakage of their affection for Farrell, so I think they are going to push hard to get him.  If they can't, they have to come up with someone just as good or better.  Given the instability, maybe it might be best for them to bite the bullet. 

 
Corn Flake said:
Yeah but look at Boston's situation right now and how much it has changed since that trade.  They've had a rather embarrassing year, made a terrible decision to hire Valentine and everything that could have gone wrong went wrong.  There has been nearly a season long leakage of their affection for Farrell, so I think they are going to push hard to get him.  If they can't, they have to come up with someone just as good or better.  Given the instability, maybe it might be best for them to bite the bullet.
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That, and Buchholz's stock has fallen since the Halladay trade. His last couple seasons have been good but not great.
 
Peter D. said:
Letting Farrell go as his personal preference or to cater to Boston's wants and needs is one thing (which they squashed last year with the rule they put in place).  The Blue Jays can't come off as a pushover.

But if the Blue Jays were able to "trade" Farrell for a guy like Bucholz, who would improve the rotation, I think it'd be silly not to let Farrell go.  I'd be hard pressed not to trade a manager for a player who fills a hole that desperately needs filling.  And after two seasons, albeit a small sample size, Farrell does not strikes me as the type of manager you have to keep at all costs.
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Me neither. Honestly, I'd be shocked if we'd get Bucholz as compensation. - I wouldn't do that if I was Boston. I fully expect our prospect cupboard to be tapped into heavily this winter. If moving Ferrell helps in some way to restock it, I'm okay with that.     
 
Just noticed the jays outrighted Aaron Laffey from the 40-man roster.  I thought they had hope for this guy to be a back-end 5th starter, esp. given how much time he got at the end, and started instead of Cecil in Sept.

Also Robert Coello has been released as well (WHO?)
 
Corn Flake said:
Just noticed the jays outrighted Aaron Laffey from the 40-man roster.  I thought they had hope for this guy to be a back-end 5th starter, esp. given how much time he got at the end, and started instead of Cecil in Sept.

Also Robert Coello has been released as well (WHO?)
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It's a procedural thing more than anything else right now. The team needed to open up some spots on the 40 man roster to potentially sign free agents or make some deals. It also means Laffey can't take them to arbitration in the off season, so, it could actually make it easier/cheaper for them to bring him back.

He's not irreplaceable, obviously, but, his numbers as a starter were pretty respectable for a back of the rotation guy.
 
Laffey isn't a bad option for a last place team needing to fill a SP spot for cheap.

If the Jays are actually, finally, going to at least attempt to try to compete next season, then they should be avoiding filler/stop-gaps like Laffey unless they just want him as organizational filler.
 
Mike Wilner ‏@Wilnerness590
#Bluejays add a pair to the roster - claiming OF Scott Cousins (the guy who broke Buster Posey) from MIA and RHP Cory Wade from NYY. #Jays
 
The Sarge said:
Mike Wilner ‏@Wilnerness590
#Bluejays add a pair to the roster - claiming OF Scott Cousins (the guy who broke Buster Posey) from MIA and RHP Cory Wade from NYY. #Jays
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Wade could be a useful bullpen guy. Cousins is strictly organizational depth.
 
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal

Sources: #RedSox, #BlueJays making progress on Farrell compensation agreement. Deal between Farrell and Red Sox fait accompli after that.
 
The Sarge said:
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal

Sources: #RedSox, #BlueJays making progress on Farrell compensation agreement. Deal between Farrell and Red Sox fait accompli after that.
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I don't expect much in terms of compensation, nor do I really think Farrell leaving would be a big loss. He's been so-so as manager here, and the only reason I can see the BoSox being so hung up on him is that he used to be part of their coaching staff.
 
bustaheims said:
The Sarge said:
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal

Sources: #RedSox, #BlueJays making progress on Farrell compensation agreement. Deal between Farrell and Red Sox fait accompli after that.
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I don't expect much in terms of compensation, nor do I really think Farrell leaving would be a big loss. He's been so-so as manager here, and the only reason I can see the BoSox being so hung up on him is that he used to be part of their coaching staff.
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Still just feels like we are the have nots that get picked over whenever the big boys need something. Reminds me of the Wells & Roger Clemens trades. You know kind of like we always hoped the Leafs would be, but never really have been.
 
Corn Flake said:
bustaheims said:
The Sarge said:
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal

Sources: #RedSox, #BlueJays making progress on Farrell compensation agreement. Deal between Farrell and Red Sox fait accompli after that.
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I don't expect much in terms of compensation, nor do I really think Farrell leaving would be a big loss. He's been so-so as manager here, and the only reason I can see the BoSox being so hung up on him is that he used to be part of their coaching staff.
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Still just feels like we are the have nots that get picked over whenever the big boys need something. Reminds me of the Wells & Roger Clemens trades. You know kind of like we always hoped the Leafs would be, but never really have been.
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Really depends who they bring in to replace him IMO.  If they make a statement kind of managerial decision after this, not as much.
 
Shi Davidi in his article for Sportsnet.ca about this suggests that the Jays have to get some really good compensation back, to offset the way the Red Sox have continuously leaked this stuff to the media, and to not be seen as a feeding club for other bigger teams to come in and snatch from.
 
Potvin29 said:
Shi Davidi in his article for Sportsnet.ca about this suggests that the Jays have to get some really good compensation back, to offset the way the Red Sox have continuously leaked this stuff to the media, and to not be seen as a feeding club for other bigger teams to come in and snatch from.
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They can't not get something significant in return. The embarrassment factor here is high, after putting a policy in place last year about no lateral moves outside of the org to put a plug in this stuff...  to then let this manager they so highly tout walk to a division rival.... if they allow that to happen for some middling prospect or less than it paints the team as a complete pushover and a joke.

For AA to have the press conference and say, "yeah we didn't get much, yeah we broke a team policy to let this guy go, yeah he's going to be in our face 20 games a year" would be just incredibly pathetic.  The message to the fans would be horribly negative.

If it isn't a Buckholtz, it has to be one of the Red Sox top prospects.  Has to be.
 
Corn Flake said:
If it isn't a Buckholtz, it has to be one of the Red Sox top prospects.  Has to be.
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Someone at work (I have no idea where they heard it) says Daniel Bard's name has been floated around.
 
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