2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
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maplesyrup
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Deebo said:
Huh, well then, I suppose it doesn't matter much they're losing on MLSE then.
bustaheims
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The Sarge said:
It could actually be to their benefits - there are tax breaks for capital losses and such. I'm not sure where the point of diminishing returns is there, but, I have my doubts they've hit it yet.
maplesyrup
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bustaheims said:
Maybe. I wouldn't have the slightest idea. Either way, I dig your positive thinking.
#1PilarFan
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The Sarge said:
The difference is, they're a media company that invests in sports team to supply content to their various channels and promote the brand. It's not the same as a couple of guys raising some capital to buy a sports team because they love the team. Yeah, those guys need to make money. Rogers only needs to not lose enough money that the content they receive is no longer worth the losses they're incurring.
And as for the MLSE side, they'll make money soon enough. I'm sure Rogers bought into the Leafs knowing that a lockout was possible and maybe even probable.
maplesyrup
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Okay, understood.
Preferences on who becomes the next Jays manager?
Sandy Alomar is the hot pick right now, and he sounds good to me, but he's my 2nd choice. After being a coach with the team since 2002 and surviving under 5 different managers in that span I think it's time we give Brian Butterfield a shot. The Jays have obviously kept him around through 5 different managers for a reason. He's wildly popular with the players and the media, Omar Vizquel also endorsed him for the job. I think he's ready.
Sandy Alomar is the hot pick right now, and he sounds good to me, but he's my 2nd choice. After being a coach with the team since 2002 and surviving under 5 different managers in that span I think it's time we give Brian Butterfield a shot. The Jays have obviously kept him around through 5 different managers for a reason. He's wildly popular with the players and the media, Omar Vizquel also endorsed him for the job. I think he's ready.
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Justin said:
Eh. Who the manager is seems largely inconsequential if you really look at it. Especially not if we're talking about guys who've never managed before. I mean, Alomar, Ausmus, Wallach...provided they're not complete and total trainwrecks it's the talent level of the club that's going to determine the W-L record.
Jeff Sammut (in for Jeff Blair) brought up Ernie Whitt yesterday.
However, it wasn't so much about "what do you think about Ernie Whitt being considered as the next manager" as it was "how do you feel that Ernie Whitt hasn't been interviewed yet". I turned the radio off at that point.
I don't really have an opinion on Whitt, although he did coach the Canadian Men's team.
However, it wasn't so much about "what do you think about Ernie Whitt being considered as the next manager" as it was "how do you feel that Ernie Whitt hasn't been interviewed yet". I turned the radio off at that point.
I don't really have an opinion on Whitt, although he did coach the Canadian Men's team.
#1PilarFan
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Butters is the Jay Triano of the Blue Jays. Great practice coach, well-liked, survived several regimes and yet when he was given the keys he fell on his face. I like Butterfield and I hope they keep him around, but guys like Alomar, Ausmus , etc are probably better suited as managers.Justin said:
bustaheims
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Nik V. Debs said:
Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone would be giving him any kind of serious consideration to be manager of a big league squad. Bringing him in to the organization in another capacity is something that might be worth considering, but not as manager of the Jays.
maplesyrup
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My case against Butter is that by all accounts, he's well liked by the guys (if not one of them.) We don't need a guy like that. We need someone who the guys will listen to without question.
Cito Gaston was very well-liked by the players in his first go-around, winning 2 World Series championships in the process.The Sarge said:
We need a manager that will instill a winning attitude in the club house. Look at what Showalter did in Baltimore, his culture change made the young players believe in their team after years of being a sad-sack perennial loser. Farrell was way too laid back, and that's ok with veteran teams or teams with strong player leadership, but the Jays clearly lack in those areas. We need a manager that will change the culture of the team, not necessarily someone who the players "will listen to" which I take to mean a manager the players will respect but not necessarily like.
maplesyrup
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I don't know. I look at the whole Escobar fiasco and wonder why any coach on the staff would let him go out with writing of any kind on his face black. - Especially if they didn't know what it meant. I put a small amount of blame on the entire staff - Including Butter.
Edit: My manager would have said "I don't know what that S*** says on you face son, but take it the hell off."
Edit: My manager would have said "I don't know what that S*** says on you face son, but take it the hell off."
Each manager has their own style, giving Butter the reins wouldn't mean things would stay the same.Nik V. Debs said:
If the Jays really want a large culture change, hire Ozzie Guillen. He's won a World Series, he's well-liked by his players, and he'd be good with the plethora of Hispanic players. That said, he's outspoken, he's eccentric, he got fired in Chicago because he couldn't get along with the GM, and he got fired in Miami with 7.5 M and 3 years still left on his contract (signaling something was very wrong).
It's hard to speculate on candidates that haven't managed before, so I'm not really sure if the parade of candidates would institute a culture change or not. It's a little bit of a crapshoot predicting who will be best, to be honest.
maplesyrup
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Hiring Guillen would be like putting out a fire with explosives. It's been done before and when it works, it works but when it doesn't, look out!
#1PilarFan
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Well, I don't know where to begin. Ausmus has been called the smartest player in baseball, Torre said he'd make a great manager (including letting him manage a game) and the consensus around baseball is that he's one of the best managing prospects in the game. So, yeah, regardless of his lack of managing experience, I genuinely believe he'd do quite well.Justin said: