2013-2014 NHL Thread

[CarltonTheBear]

I don't blame that (mostly) on Luongo.  Mostly the defenseman's fault.

I don't see how you can put even a 1% of the blame on Luongo for that.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't blame that (mostly) on Luongo.  Mostly the defenseman's fault.

I don't see how you can put even a 1% of the blame on Luongo for that.

Well, he did turn his back on the puck when he got back into his net, which, granted, is something a lot of goalies do, but, it's still part of what caused the goal.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I don't blame that (mostly) on Luongo.  Mostly the defenseman's fault.

I don't see how you can put even a 1% of the blame on Luongo for that.

Well, he did turn his back on the puck when he got back into his net, which, granted, is something a lot of goalies do, but, it's still part of what caused the goal.

Your kidding me....Should he face the end boards? A goalies job is to watch the play coming towards his defensemen and let him know of any attacking players. Luongo had no fault in that play whatsoever.

 

[bustaheims]

Your kidding me....Should he face the end boards? A goalies job is to watch the play coming towards his defensemen and let him know of any attacking players. Luongo had no fault in that play whatsoever.

A goalie should never voluntarily lose sight of the puck like that. It was very easy for him to get back to his net without turning away like that. He got a good look at the play in front of the net and saw there was nothing there. At that point, he should have looked back to see where the puck was, but, instead, he turned to the other side of the ice. That's when Hamhuis lost the puck. If Luongo's following the play properly there, that puck doesn't go it. All he really had to do was back into his net instead of skating forward into it.

 

[hockeyfan1]

I don't blame that (mostly) on Luongo.  Mostly the defenseman's fault.

I don't see how you can put even a 1% of the blame on Luongo for that.

He didn't seem particularly aware of his surroundings nor alert to such a play.  I've seen goaltenders before in that kind of play situation who've stopped the puck.  Partially Luongo's fault and partially the Vancouver D's.

Players are only human.  They make mistakes from time to time, sometimes glaringly.  This was one of those.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Your kidding me....Should he face the end boards? A goalies job is to watch the play coming towards his defensemen and let him know of any attacking players. Luongo had no fault in that play whatsoever.

A goalie should never voluntarily lose sight of the puck like that. It was very easy for him to get back to his net without turning away like that. He got a good look at the play in front of the net and saw there was nothing there. At that point, he should have looked back to see where the puck was, but, instead, he turned to the other side of the ice. That's when Hamhuis lost the puck. If Luongo's following the play properly there, that puck doesn't go it. All he really had to do was back into his net instead of skating forward into it.

You know, sometimes I think Nik is your uncle.

I've played the position for 30 years. Quite a few at a very high level. I've coached it for the past 15 years.

I'm fully willing to give blame when it is due. In the case of Quick, there was no reason for him to play the puck. In Luongo's case he did exactly what any other goalie on any other night in any other league would of done.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I don't blame that (mostly) on Luongo.  Mostly the defenseman's fault.

I don't see how you can put even a 1% of the blame on Luongo for that.

He didn't seem particularly aware of his surroundings nor alert to such a play.  I've seen goaltenders before in that kind of play situation who've stopped the puck.  Partially Luongo's fault and partially the Vancouver D's.

Yeah, We've seen goalies who get lucky and catch their bobble by the dman in time to make the save.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

Yeah ..Luongo isn't to blame there...Not only does the D-man set him up for failure it doesn't even seem like he does anything to try and alert Luongo to his mistake.  While this is an ugly ugly goal..i don't think it's the goalie's fault.  No more than i do when one of our players gets hit with the puck and it happens to bounce off them and end up in the net. 

 

[Zee]

Sens gave up 50 shots last night and are up to 45 against through two periods tonight. Who's a bad corsi team huh huh???

 

[bustaheims]

You know, sometimes I think Nik is your uncle.

I've played the position for 30 years. Quite a few at a very high level. I've coached it for the past 15 years.

I'm fully willing to give blame when it is due. In the case of Quick, there was no reason for him to play the puck. In Luongo's case he did exactly what any other goalie on any other night in any other league would of done.

If Luongo doesn't turn away from the play, he stops that puck from going in. It's really that simple and straight forward. Does he carry the brunt of the blame? No, but he does shoulder some of it.

And, for what it's worth, I'm pretty sure I'm a year or two older than Nik.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

You know, sometimes I think Nik is your uncle.

I've played the position for 30 years. Quite a few at a very high level. I've coached it for the past 15 years.

I'm fully willing to give blame when it is due. In the case of Quick, there was no reason for him to play the puck. In Luongo's case he did exactly what any other goalie on any other night in any other league would of done.

If Luongo doesn't turn away from the play, he stops that puck from going in. It's really that simple and straight forward. Does he carry the brunt of the blame? No, but he does shoulder some of it.

And, for what it's worth, I'm pretty sure I'm a year or two older than Nik.

That's like saying "if Luongo throws the puck the other way around the boards the puck doesn't go in." Yeah you got me there. Any chance you can show stats that prove that Luongo's mishandling of the puck shows that he wasn't fault?

 

[drummond]

Michael Russo @Russostrib

West will be 27-6-3 against the East after tonight. Almost like 2 different leagues #nhl

I knew the west was somewhat better, but not that much better..

 

[L K]

Michael Russo @Russostrib

West will be 27-6-3 against the East after tonight. Almost like 2 different leagues #nhl

I knew the west was somewhat better, but not that much better..

Leafs 2-1-0
I really want to see where the numbers line up by the end of the year though.  The bottom 8 teams in the East (right now) are 3-16-3.  The top 8 teams in the East are 6-7-1.

Similarly the bottom 8 teams in the East are 5-13-3 against the Eastern Conference. 

I think if this honestly says anything, it is that the bottom 8 teams in the East have been really bad to start the year. 

Buffalo - can't score
New York - can't score and always relied on Lundqvist to bail them out
Philly - doesn't have goaltending and can't score 5on5
New Jersey - can't score, Brodeur is really old
Florida - isn't a good team and has injury problems in net

Once games balance out and we aren't 4.5 games into the year I think things will be closer.  There is no arguing that a lot of the Western Conference teams are really good though.

 

[bustaheims]

That's like saying "if Luongo throws the puck the other way around the boards the puck doesn't go in." Yeah you got me there. Any chance you can show stats that prove that Luongo's mishandling of the puck shows that he wasn't fault?

I don't need stats, nor do I need your ridiculous equivalencies. Watch the replay again and really watch Luongo. Watch how far he turns away from the play. When the puck hits his skate, he's turned all the way around so that he's facing the boards on the other side of the ice. I've watched enough hockey to have seen similar plays hundreds of times, and 99.9% of the time when the puck is in the corner of the defensive zone when his team has the puck and the other team is clearing the zone (in this case, they're going for a line change since the Habs are killing a penalty), the goalie positions himself so that A) he can see the play and B) far enough in the net that the puck isn't going to bounce off him and into the net. Luongo did neither of those things here. He made a small mistake that, yes, most of the time wouldn't cost him, but in rare cases like this, it will. He shares some of the blame for taking a poor route back into his net and turning to the other side of the ice.

 

[TML fan]

Luongo took it for granted that the puck wouldn't bounce in front. That's what happens when you don't pay attention. He does share some of the blame, however little it may be.

 

[Jalili]

Just watched Pavel Datsyuk make Chara look like a pylon and then set-up Zetterberg. Beauty of a play.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

That's like saying "if Luongo throws the puck the other way around the boards the puck doesn't go in." Yeah you got me there. Any chance you can show stats that prove that Luongo's mishandling of the puck shows that he wasn't fault?

I don't need stats, nor do I need your ridiculous equivalencies. Watch the replay again and really watch Luongo. Watch how far he turns away from the play. When the puck hits his skate, he's turned all the way around so that he's facing the boards on the other side of the ice. I've watched enough hockey to have seen similar plays hundreds of times, and 99.9% of the time when the puck is in the corner of the defensive zone when his team has the puck and the other team is clearing the zone (in this case, they're going for a line change since the Habs are killing a penalty), the goalie positions himself so that A) he can see the play and B) far enough in the net that the puck isn't going to bounce off him and into the net. Luongo did neither of those things here. He made a small mistake that, yes, most of the time wouldn't cost him, but in rare cases like this, it will. He shares some of the blame for taking a poor route back into his net and turning to the other side of the ice.

I've watched the replay numerous times. Luongo looks over his right shoulder as that's the correct play in that instance. You see, as a goalie you are taught to look to where the puck is going, not where it's been in regards to watching the play behind the net. The dman was taking the puck to the right side of the net. That's where the goalie looks.

So you can continue calling me ridiculous but let's be honest. You know squat about playing goalie and this asinine conversation proves it.

 

[Tigger]

From what I can tell Luongo made a small error in assuming the play was going to the right side of the net too early ( when he hadn't cleared the left post ) and he didn't follow the play completely which put himself in position to fail. It's a bit of crap luck with the puck bouncing off Garrison's skate/ Hamhuis not paying enough attention, a small lazy assumption by Luongo and more crap luck.

 

[TML fan]

That's like saying "if Luongo throws the puck the other way around the boards the puck doesn't go in." Yeah you got me there. Any chance you can show stats that prove that Luongo's mishandling of the puck shows that he wasn't fault?

I don't need stats, nor do I need your ridiculous equivalencies. Watch the replay again and really watch Luongo. Watch how far he turns away from the play. When the puck hits his skate, he's turned all the way around so that he's facing the boards on the other side of the ice. I've watched enough hockey to have seen similar plays hundreds of times, and 99.9% of the time when the puck is in the corner of the defensive zone when his team has the puck and the other team is clearing the zone (in this case, they're going for a line change since the Habs are killing a penalty), the goalie positions himself so that A) he can see the play and B) far enough in the net that the puck isn't going to bounce off him and into the net. Luongo did neither of those things here. He made a small mistake that, yes, most of the time wouldn't cost him, but in rare cases like this, it will. He shares some of the blame for taking a poor route back into his net and turning to the other side of the ice.

I've watched the replay numerous times. Luongo looks over his right shoulder as that's the correct play in that instance. You see, as a goalie you are taught to look to where the puck is going, not where it's been in regards to watching the play behind the net. The dman was taking the puck to the right side of the net. That's where the goalie looks.

So you can continue calling me ridiculous but let's be honest. You know squat about playing goalie and this asinine conversation proves it.

I don't know, it seems to me that if Luongo was watching where the puck was and not where it was going, the puck wouldn't have gone in.

It's seems counter intuitive to watch for something that may never arrive.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

That's like saying "if Luongo throws the puck the other way around the boards the puck doesn't go in." Yeah you got me there. Any chance you can show stats that prove that Luongo's mishandling of the puck shows that he wasn't fault?

I don't need stats, nor do I need your ridiculous equivalencies. Watch the replay again and really watch Luongo. Watch how far he turns away from the play. When the puck hits his skate, he's turned all the way around so that he's facing the boards on the other side of the ice. I've watched enough hockey to have seen similar plays hundreds of times, and 99.9% of the time when the puck is in the corner of the defensive zone when his team has the puck and the other team is clearing the zone (in this case, they're going for a line change since the Habs are killing a penalty), the goalie positions himself so that A) he can see the play and B) far enough in the net that the puck isn't going to bounce off him and into the net. Luongo did neither of those things here. He made a small mistake that, yes, most of the time wouldn't cost him, but in rare cases like this, it will. He shares some of the blame for taking a poor route back into his net and turning to the other side of the ice.

I've watched the replay numerous times. Luongo looks over his right shoulder as that's the correct play in that instance. You see, as a goalie you are taught to look to where the puck is going, not where it's been in regards to watching the play behind the net. The dman was taking the puck to the right side of the net. That's where the goalie looks.

So you can continue calling me ridiculous but let's be honest. You know squat about playing goalie and this asinine conversation proves it.

I don't know, it seems to me that if Luongo was watching where the puck was and not where it was going, the puck wouldn't have gone in.

It's seems counter intuitive to watch for something that may never arrive.

In slow motion sure. It's easy to say that he should of continued looking over his left shoulder. But in reality, and in real time, at some point he had to look from his left shoulder to his right shoulder and at that point he would of lost sight of the puck. It just happens that in that instance, Hamhuis lost control and it ended up in the net. As much as we goalies would love to have a head on a 360 degree swivel, it hasn't been figured out just yet so sometimes we have to put faith in our dman not screwing it up.

In my opinion, it was just a matter of everything coming together at the same time that resulted in the goal.