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2015 ALCS - Toronto Blue Jays (93-69) vs Kansas City Royals (95-67)

Nik the Trik said:
I really don't get why people are so hung up on the W-L record. Price has pitched well in the post-season before. He's had more bad starts than good ones but that's true of other top pitchers as well.
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He was in the middle of a fantastic outing last time before Goins gave up on that popup into shallow right. The record doesn't concern me too much. It's the way he's responded to adversity in the playoffs that does. He seems to have trouble getting back on track once he gets rattled. I think there are some legitimate concerns about him being a guy you can rely on in big games. He has the physical tools, obviously. He just hasn't consistently shown he has the mental/psychological ones.
 
Price was brilliant in his last start. I don't care about that 1 inning. if he gives the exact same start I'll be happy.

Honestly it's the bats that worry me. Price will do what he has to do.

 
bustaheims said:
He was in the middle of a fantastic outing last time before Goins gave up on that popup into shallow right. The record doesn't concern me too much. It's the way he's responded to adversity in the playoffs that does. He seems to have trouble getting back on track once he gets rattled. I think there are some legitimate concerns about him being a guy you can rely on in big games. He has the physical tools, obviously. He just hasn't consistently shown he has the mental/psychological ones.
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I don't know. Leaving aside that Goins made one of the worst defensive plays I'd ever seen on that ball, the Royals responded with a bunch of singles. He didn't start getting rocked.

If the Jays had scored 8 runs that game instead of three I don't think we'd think twice about it. The Royals definitely hit Stroman better in game 3 than they did Price in game 2.
 
Nik the Trik said:
I don't know. Leaving aside that Goins made one of the worst defensive plays I'd ever seen on that ball, the Royals responded with a bunch of singles. He didn't start getting rocked.

If the Jays had scored 8 runs that game instead of three I don't think we'd think twice about it. The Royals definitely hit Stroman better in game 3 than they did Price in game 2.
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He didn't get rocked, but he also wasn't able to put guys away. Those hits weren't all just groundballs that snuck through. A number of those singles were fairly well hit balls. There was an element of luck in there, sure, but it also felt like he lost focus a little - and it's not like his previous performances this postseason were pristine. As I said earlier in the thread, I'd welcome him back to the Jays, but I'm still wary about him in the biggest games.
 
Joe S. said:
Price was brilliant in his last start. I don't care about that 1 inning. if he gives the exact same start I'll be happy.

Honestly it's the bats that worry me. Price will do what he has to do.
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The jays still have a long way back to win this series but I tend to think the advantage goes to the offense in a later series.  These hitters have more time to see the pitchers.  Obviously that goes for both teams but I guess I like to think hitting is one of the areas that the Jays should have an advantage. 

Anyway here's hoping Price gets it back to Stroman and the Jays pay back the royals for 1985
 
bustaheims said:
Nik the Trik said:
I really don't get why people are so hung up on the W-L record. Price has pitched well in the post-season before. He's had more bad starts than good ones but that's true of other top pitchers as well.
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He was in the middle of a fantastic outing last time before Goins gave up on that popup into shallow right. The record doesn't concern me too much. It's the way he's responded to adversity in the playoffs that does. He seems to have trouble getting back on track once he gets rattled. I think there are some legitimate concerns about him being a guy you can rely on in big games. He has the physical tools, obviously. He just hasn't consistently shown he has the mental/psychological ones.
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That last game was difficult to get back on track. It was the 3rd time through the line up. The Royals had him dialed in. I don't think that has much to do with his inability to rebounding when rattled.
 
Honestly losing to the Rangers would have made me angry... You can't say that the Jays are clearly better than the royals...they just aren't.

Stupid Astros.
 
Highlander said:
Let hope tonight that the Price is Right (this is where we knock on wood)
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Hopefully.  Price was unhittable for 6 innings in game 2.  Jays need that type of performance again (without the 1 inning meltdown of course)
 
Joe S. said:
Honestly losing to the Rangers would have made me angry... You can't say that the Jays are clearly better than the royals...they just aren't.

Stupid Astros.
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The Royals aren't that good, either. They may have gotten hot at the right time, but they aren't a vastly superior team.
 
TML fan said:
The Royals aren't that good, either. They may have gotten hot at the right time, but they aren't a vastly superior team.
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But they aren't vastly inferior, either. They are pretty good. They finished with the best record in the AL for a good reason. In terms of overall talent, they're probably roughly on par with the Jays. Toronto has better offence, but KC has better pitching - especially in the bullpen.
 
bustaheims said:
TML fan said:
The Royals aren't that good, either. They may have gotten hot at the right time, but they aren't a vastly superior team.
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But they aren't vastly inferior, either. They are pretty good. They finished with the best record in the AL for a good reason. In terms of overall talent, they're probably roughly on par with the Jays. Toronto has better offence, but KC has better pitching - especially in the bullpen.
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Only in the bullpen I think. When performing at their best, I don't think their rotation is any better than than the Jays. Hopefully we get the best Price and Stroman have to offer.
 
Deebo said:
Only in the bullpen I think. When performing at their best, I don't think their rotation is any better than than the Jays. Hopefully we get the best Price and Stroman have to offer.
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Overall, I'd take the Royals' rotation over the Jays, not by much, but their rotation is definitely deeper. The Jays have the better top 3 - but not by a huge margin. The Royals 4 and 5 are better and much more reliable than what the Jays have right now.

The Royals also have a more versatile lineup, in that their offence plays well everywhere. The Jays rely heavily on power, and, as we've seen, that can lead to them struggling in bigger ballparks. When the Jays are going, they have the best lineup in baseball, but the Royals are a little more consistent.
 
Game day, I'm nervous... it's amazing as a Toronto sports fan to enjoy the intensity of a decent playoff run. I think it's so intense because we know this team is capable of winning. I was at the last game and had a blast, even though I was against a pilar and couldn't see half the outfield. It did not feel like a 7-1 game.

We all know Price is due. I believe the Jays will win. I expect a big game out of Martin, he's been quiet this post season. Man oh man.
 
bustaheims said:
When the Jays are going, they have the best lineup in baseball, but the Royals are a little more consistent.
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Is that true though?  Jays as a team had an identical average, higher OBP, higher SLG and higher avg. with RISP through 162 games than KC did.  I don't know what would show KC as being a more consistent offensive lineup.
 
Potvin29 said:
bustaheims said:
When the Jays are going, they have the best lineup in baseball, but the Royals are a little more consistent.
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Is that true though?  Jays as a team had an identical average, higher OBP, higher SLG and higher avg. with RISP through 162 games than KC did.  I don't know what would show KC as being a more consistent offensive lineup.
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How about 167 more runs scored than KC?
 
Joe S. said:
maybe I'm missing something, but looking at Ventura's season numbers, he doesn't seem all that impressive...
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He wasn't good against the Jays in game 2 either - 3ER, 8H, 2BB in 5.1IP and left the bases loaded with one out when he was pulled for Hochevar who came in and stranded the 3 runners.
 
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