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2017-18 Marlies

Guilt Trip said:
I didn't see Dermott, Kapanen or Johnsson on the Marlies 2018 Calder Cup Playoff Roster. Are they allowed to sub from the big club after they're out? I don't know how it works.
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Dermott and Kapanen were both sent down in paper transactions at the deadline to qualify them for the Calder Cup playoffs. Johnsson was still with the Marlies at the time so he also qualifies. The Leafs spent 3 of their 4 call ups for them to play in the Stanley Cup playoffs.
 
I remember that happening but how does it work? Do they just replace people on the roster if the Leafs go out? Like I said I didn't see them on the 24 man roster so how do they get on it?
 
Guilt Trip said:
I remember that happening but how does it work? Do they just replace people on the roster if the Leafs go out? Like I said I didn't see them on the 24 man roster so how do they get on it?
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There is no roster limit in the AHL so Keefe can just throw in whoever is eligible that he wants. If the Leafs scrub out before the Marlies do, those three players can be loaned back to the Marlies.
 
herman said:
Guilt Trip said:
I remember that happening but how does it work? Do they just replace people on the roster if the Leafs go out? Like I said I didn't see them on the 24 man roster so how do they get on it?
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There is no roster limit in the AHL so Keefe can just throw in whoever is eligible that he wants. If the Leafs scrub out before the Marlies do, those three players can be loaned back to the Marlies.
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Thanks.
 
Team is a juggernaut this year.  54-18-2, +84 goal differential.  They better take home the calder cup.
 
Not that I want the Leafs to fail in the least, but add Kapi & Johnsson back into that team and the firepower would be shock and awe to say the least.
 
Can anyone explain Marincin's +/-? Same guy right?

Why even bother with the old guys playing key roles? Shouldn't we developing kids, I guess they are learning form their veteran peers, real gud pro stuff?
 
cabber24 said:
Can anyone explain Marincin's +/-? Same guy right?

Why even bother with the old guys playing key roles? Shouldn't we developing kids, I guess they are learning form their veteran peers, real gud pro stuff?
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a) +/- is not a very reliable stat, very subject to weird situations in a flow game (e.g. Nylander makes a stretch pass, gets off the ice for Marner, and Hyman scores a bit later = + for Marner who literally just got on the ice)

b) Marincin has NHL-level skills and experience. Of course he is doing well in the AHL. There's a lot more patience in the AHL for minor gaffes, and also a lot more time to make plays. Can he put it together for an NHL season? Probably has to do it somewhere else.

c) There's value in learning on the job from people who have done your job a long time, more than any coach can possibly deliver to any one player. Development in the AHL is a priority for the Leafs for the majority of its prospect pool. The Leafs seem to only want to dedicate enough bandwidth for one rookie on the defense.
 
herman said:
cabber24 said:
Can anyone explain Marincin's +/-? Same guy right?

Why even bother with the old guys playing key roles? Shouldn't we developing kids, I guess they are learning form their veteran peers, real gud pro stuff?
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a) +/- is not a very reliable stat, very subject to weird situations in a flow game (e.g. Nylander makes a stretch pass, gets off the ice for Marner, and Hyman scores a bit later = + for Marner who literally just got on the ice)

b) Marincin has NHL-level skills and experience. Of course he is doing well in the AHL. There's a lot more patience in the AHL for minor gaffes, and also a lot more time to make plays. Can he put it together for an NHL season? Probably has to do it somewhere else.

c) There's value in learning on the job from people who have done your job a long time, more than any coach can possibly deliver to any one player. Development in the AHL is a priority for the Leafs for the majority of its prospect pool. The Leafs seem to only want to dedicate enough bandwidth for one rookie on the defense.
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I'm not sure that's a great argument against the validity of a +/- stat.  I think the situation you describe works the other way around too, meaning that sometimes you get dinged with a minus as you jump on the ice.  I think that stuff evens out.

I think the argument against it is when it's being used as a measurement statistic in terms of individual contribution.  You can be Polak playing consistently when the Matthews line is on, and you've got all kinds of +, but you really had nothing to do with putting the puck in the net, and the puck is largely in your forwards' possession, so you're not defending much.
 
Oh that wasn?t my primary argument for why +/- is flawed, merely the example that was top of mind from a recent game. You?re right in that +/- used as an individual measure breaks down and paints an inaccurate picture. In either case, +/- does not capture the nuances of the scoring situation. It also does not account for the many more situations in which a good play is made but does not yield a goal, or vice versa.
 
https://mapleleafsnation.com/2018/05/07/the-toronto-marlies-have-invested-heavily-in-their-veterans-and-its-paid-off/

Not just in buying the best veterans, but in making the experience playing for an AHL team as NHL-like as possible: NHL city, NHL facilities, NHL amenities; and continuous development even for the veterans.
 
herman said:
https://mapleleafsnation.com/2018/05/07/the-toronto-marlies-have-invested-heavily-in-their-veterans-and-its-paid-off/

Not just in buying the best veterans, but in making the experience playing for an AHL team as NHL-like as possible: NHL city, NHL facilities, NHL amenities; and continuous development even for the veterans.
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Amazing article that provides a lot of insight into things that are rarely discussed. Yet another feather in the Shannaplan hat.
 
mapleleafsnation.com needs an editor.  I got 3 paragraphs in and couldn't handle the grammar.

Coming from me, that's a pretty big deal.
 
The Crunch might have quit here, they had a guy suspended last game for a low hit on Marchment, the guy that replaced that player is Gallant and he just took a 10 foot run at Marchment and hit him in the head and has been tossed.

5 minutes and a game misconduct for Gallant.

At one point earlier the Marlies had been cycling it in the offensive zone for over 30 seconds while shorthanded.

 
Does Leafs TV broadcast all of the Marlies regular season and playoff games?  Having a tough time getting a straight answer online.
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