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2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

Guilt Trip said:
OldTimeHockey said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
So perhaps it isn't that he's just a complete trash fire?
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Complete trash fire? No. But his struggles can be traced back to well before this injury. Hopefully he's healthy in case the Leafs need him but Campbell is still probably the starter heading into the playoffs.
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Do we think we can trace Andersen's struggles back to the concussion issues he had a couple years ago? It seems to me that's when his play became inconsistent.

As a side note, I think Andersen starts when he's back. Campbell has been good but I still don't think the Leafs are confident in him as a starter.
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I think most of his issues are probably directly related to injuries. They said his original injury this year was Feb15. He only took a few games off in late Feb but came back early again. Keep in mind that Jack only played 1 game(Feb 27) from Jan 24 to March 20.
Every year he has some sort of injury and from everything I've read he's always come back early because he has that mentality to not let the team down. I believe if Jack had stayed healthy, he would have taken the proper time to get healthy.
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I agree with that logic.
 
https://theathletic.com/2504802/2021/04/27/here-is-how-we-can-get-better-mark-frasers-new-mission-with-the-maple-leafs-begins-with-frank-conversations/ (paywall)

I was wondering how this came about...
Fraser explained to Tavares that the Leafs decision to wear ?Black Lives Matter? T-shirts was so impactful that he wanted to tell him in person. Fraser shared that it was the first time he ever felt as a Black hockey player that level of support from his peers. That he needed to hear it last summer. And that it was so moving to so many people.

Fraser let Tavares know he understood the gravity of that decision. He heard there were agents with clients on the Maple Leafs who were not fans of the decision. But the fact Tavares and the team did it anyways was something that needed to be recognized.

?On top of that, I was able to share with John how the simplicity of that action inspired me and gave me the encouragement to take the initiative to reach out to the organization and encourage them in the DEI space,? Fraser said. ?That initiative I took came from a feeling of support. I felt that when the team and the organization wore those shirts. It made me realize that there may be an opportunity to encourage this organization?s growth with examples set from leadership by the players and the captain.?
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Just a reminder that Burke/Eakins housed Nazem Kadri with a cop (paywall) when he first started with the Leafs to get him in line.
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/markzwol/status/1387094312433983498
lol
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It's like a golfer and their clubs. The slightest bit off can mess things up. Matthews and Spezza are stick nerds....looks like JT is too.
 
herman said:
https://theathletic.com/2504802/2021/04/27/here-is-how-we-can-get-better-mark-frasers-new-mission-with-the-maple-leafs-begins-with-frank-conversations/ (paywall)

I was wondering how this came about...
Fraser explained to Tavares that the Leafs decision to wear ?Black Lives Matter? T-shirts was so impactful that he wanted to tell him in person. Fraser shared that it was the first time he ever felt as a Black hockey player that level of support from his peers. That he needed to hear it last summer. And that it was so moving to so many people.

Fraser let Tavares know he understood the gravity of that decision. He heard there were agents with clients on the Maple Leafs who were not fans of the decision. But the fact Tavares and the team did it anyways was something that needed to be recognized.

?On top of that, I was able to share with John how the simplicity of that action inspired me and gave me the encouragement to take the initiative to reach out to the organization and encourage them in the DEI space,? Fraser said. ?That initiative I took came from a feeling of support. I felt that when the team and the organization wore those shirts. It made me realize that there may be an opportunity to encourage this organization?s growth with examples set from leadership by the players and the captain.?
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Just a reminder that Burke/Eakins housed Nazem Kadri with a cop (paywall) when he first started with the Leafs to get him in line.
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What's your point?

As per the article, cops are generally quality people. There are also plenty who aren't.
 
hrundi99 said:
What's your point?

As per the article, cops are generally quality people. There are also plenty who aren't.
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I don't know if you've been following the discourse recently around hockey, race, and the police. The Mark Fraser piece touches on it very lightly regarding micro-aggressions, references explicit racially motivated aggression re: Akim Aliu's experiences throughout hockey, and in general the Black Lives Matter movement highlighting the disparity in how justice is systematically implemented for BIPOC.

I cannot speak to the specific individual that agreed to house a young Kadri (opening up your home to anyone for an extended period of time is very generous), but for Eakins and Burke to make such a choice is quite telling. Did a teenage Kadri have issues with time management, sleep discipline, and professionalism? Yeah, there aren't too many players coming out of the draft that do not. Choosing a cop to 'mentor' an Arabic Muslim teen gives off residential school vibes. They could have just as easily sought out a strength/conditioning coach or Marlie veteran or any of the numerous retired hockey folk in Toronto to guide Kadri towards developing his professional career.

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I do think Burke and Eakins were trying their best and I don't fault them for being products of their environments; hockey culture has the propensity to assimilate and subsume individuals rather than embrace and leverage differences to make a greater whole. Having someone like Fraser to draw awareness to how things like these are perceived by people of colour should help guide better decision making going forward and open the game up to large swaths of people that haven't felt welcome before.
 
herman said:
hrundi99 said:
What's your point?

As per the article, cops are generally quality people. There are also plenty who aren't.
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I don't know if you've been following the discourse recently around hockey, race, and the police. The Mark Fraser piece touches on it very lightly regarding micro-aggressions, references explicit racially motivated aggression re: Akim Aliu's experiences throughout hockey, and in general the Black Lives Matter movement highlighting the disparity in how justice is systematically implemented for BIPOC.

I cannot speak to the specific individual that agreed to house a young Kadri (opening up your home to anyone for an extended period of time is very generous), but for Eakins and Burke to make such a choice is quite telling. Did a teenage Kadri have issues with time management, sleep discipline, and professionalism? Yeah, there aren't too many players coming out of the draft that do not. Choosing a cop to 'mentor' an Arabic Muslim teen gives off residential school vibes. They could have just as easily sought out a strength/conditioning coach or Marlie veteran or any of the numerous retired hockey folk in Toronto to guide Kadri towards developing his professional career.

Addendum:
I do think Burke and Eakins were trying their best and I don't fault them for being products of their environments; hockey culture has the propensity to assimilate and subsume individuals rather than embrace and leverage differences to make a greater whole. Having someone like Fraser to draw awareness to how things like these are perceived by people of colour should help guide better decision making going forward and open the game up to large swaths of people that haven't felt welcome before.
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I get the sense that Kadri's friends were perhaps not a great crowd, so maybe it was more about that than his ethnicity.

I understand what you're saying however.
 
hrundi99 said:
herman said:
hrundi99 said:
What's your point?

As per the article, cops are generally quality people. There are also plenty who aren't.
Click to expand...

I don't know if you've been following the discourse recently around hockey, race, and the police. The Mark Fraser piece touches on it very lightly regarding micro-aggressions, references explicit racially motivated aggression re: Akim Aliu's experiences throughout hockey, and in general the Black Lives Matter movement highlighting the disparity in how justice is systematically implemented for BIPOC.

I cannot speak to the specific individual that agreed to house a young Kadri (opening up your home to anyone for an extended period of time is very generous), but for Eakins and Burke to make such a choice is quite telling. Did a teenage Kadri have issues with time management, sleep discipline, and professionalism? Yeah, there aren't too many players coming out of the draft that do not. Choosing a cop to 'mentor' an Arabic Muslim teen gives off residential school vibes. They could have just as easily sought out a strength/conditioning coach or Marlie veteran or any of the numerous retired hockey folk in Toronto to guide Kadri towards developing his professional career.

Addendum:
I do think Burke and Eakins were trying their best and I don't fault them for being products of their environments; hockey culture has the propensity to assimilate and subsume individuals rather than embrace and leverage differences to make a greater whole. Having someone like Fraser to draw awareness to how things like these are perceived by people of colour should help guide better decision making going forward and open the game up to large swaths of people that haven't felt welcome before.
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I get the sense that Kadri's friends were perhaps not a great crowd, so maybe it was more about that than his ethnicity.

I understand what you're saying however.
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He can't be the only one who ran with a questionable crowd.
 
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1387608288636903424
So who is Tavares handing the Cup to first?
 
https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1387782052901175298

Nash was originally expected to miss 4-6 weeks with his injury. A 4 week recovery would mean he could return as soon as this upcoming Tuesday with the Leafs having 4 regular games left. 5 weeks would mean he could get in 2 regular season games. 6 weeks would mean he's back for the start of the playoffs. I'm guessing he plays at least 2 regular season games.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1387782052901175298

Nash was originally expected to miss 4-6 weeks with his injury. A 4 week recovery would mean he could return as soon as this upcoming Tuesday with the Leafs having 4 regular games left. 5 weeks would mean he could get in 2 regular season games. 6 weeks would mean he's back for the start of the playoffs. I'm guessing he plays at least 2 regular season games.
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Can they fit him under the cap before the end of the year?
 
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