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2020-21 Tampa Bay Raptors Thread

I'll probably go back and forth on this a dozen times but now I kind of feel like Mobley might very well be the guy at #4. I think Cunningham-Green are a safe bet at 1 and 2 and I think neither Mobley or Suggs are great fits for Cleveland so I think someone might trade up to land Suggs. Mobley is seen as a high ceiling/high floor guy but maybe the least NBA ready so I can't help think that he's the guy teams back off of a little.
 
They passed up Jalen Suggs to draft F Scotty Barnes.

I don?t understand this move at all. 

 
How do the Raptors always, always screw up their high picks. How? Like the only thing they don't need is a forward who can't shoot. They desperately need a PG to replace Lowry.
 
https://ca.nba.com/news/2021-nba-draft-scottie-barnes-scouting-report-strengths-weaknesses-and-player-comparisons/dwlgq2qx360m1xc5nb130p1nf

This scouting report talks of him being a point guard in a forwards body.  It calls him unique.  If you read the one on Jalen Suggs though, they whiffed this pick.  This feels like when Darko Milicic was drafted 2nd in the 2003 NBA draft.
 
They drafted a guy who can?t shoot.  I really hope I?m wrong but this is just an awful decision.  There has to be a significant trade here to explain this
 
This always happens in the NBA draft. Some guy who isn't actually good at Basketball rises up the draft charts because teams fall in love with their athleticism and measurements and ignore things like not being able to shoot. That's why Steph Curry fell.

I just didn't think the Raps would be the team that fell for it.
 
Hey come on it will be fun when we lose games 86-80 because we have an elite defense an nobody who can shoot.  Wasn?t the Kevin O?Neill era awesome!
 
So I know nothing of this pick and Suggs other than everyone wanted Suggs. I have a friend who says they think they can develop the guy they picked for a longer term rebuild. Any merit to that? Admittedly I literally know nothing of the positions in Basketball.
 
Bender said:
So I know nothing of this pick and Suggs other than everyone wanted Suggs. I have a friend who says they think they can develop the guy they picked for a longer term rebuild. Any merit to that? Admittedly I literally know nothing of the positions in Basketball.
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I mean, any one could be developed and the Raptors have a good track record in developing guys but I think it's a little bit like the Family Guy joke about, you know, you can have a boat or you can have the mystery box which could be anything, it could even be a boat.

Suggs is the boat. Just take the boat.
 
Nik said:
Bender said:
So I know nothing of this pick and Suggs other than everyone wanted Suggs. I have a friend who says they think they can develop the guy they picked for a longer term rebuild. Any merit to that? Admittedly I literally know nothing of the positions in Basketball.
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I mean, any one could be developed and the Raptors have a good track record in developing guys but I think it's a little bit like the Family Guy joke about, you know, you can have a boat or you can have the mystery box which could be anything, it could even be a boat.

Suggs is the boat. Just take the boat.
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But what makes Suggs a boat and the other guy a mystery box? Do you generally take the guy who can shoot?
 
Bender said:
Nik said:
Bender said:
So I know nothing of this pick and Suggs other than everyone wanted Suggs. I have a friend who says they think they can develop the guy they picked for a longer term rebuild. Any merit to that? Admittedly I literally know nothing of the positions in Basketball.
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I mean, any one could be developed and the Raptors have a good track record in developing guys but I think it's a little bit like the Family Guy joke about, you know, you can have a boat or you can have the mystery box which could be anything, it could even be a boat.

Suggs is the boat. Just take the boat.
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But what makes Suggs a boat and the other guy a mystery box? Do you generally take the guy who can shoot?
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Suggs is an ok defender who can shoot.

Barnes is a good defender who can't shoot.

Mid-late round picks who can't shoot I'll buy that they need development time to work on their offensive game.  Top 4 picks shouldn't need to develop an offensive game.  He's a good playmaker but he's a Point Forward and not a PG.  He's not an elite passer for a PG...he's an elite passes for a PF.

Everything about Barnes is that his hypothetical potential being higher but the Raptors are loaded with guys who can't create their own shot and just added another one.
 
Bender said:
But what makes Suggs a boat and the other guy a mystery box? Do you generally take the guy who can shoot?
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Well, kind of. But it's more that Suggs was seen overwhelmingly as the safer pick because of a more developed game. When people projected him as a front-line PG it was because of watching what he did in college. With Barnes it's "Well, if he develops his shooting who knows where it might lead?"

With Barnes there isn't really any solid notion of what position he might play.
 
The rumour going around is that he didn't have a good workout with the team...but I feel like that always happens when a team doesn't pick a player. 

Supposedly if OKC traded up with the Raptors they would have taken Barnes at 4 too so that took away the trade down option.
 
L K said:
The rumour going around is that he didn't have a good workout with the team...but I feel like that always happens when a team doesn't pick a player. 

Supposedly if OKC traded up with the Raptors they would have taken Barnes at 4 too so that took away the trade down option.
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I guess. But I'd feel better about having Giddey and another solid asset than just Barnes.
 
Yeah, it was expected at this point.  The S&T portion hasn't been announced yet but sounds like it is Goran Dragic (19.4M) and Precious Achiuwa (2.71M)

Dragic is probably a good bet to be flipped given that the Raptors still have FVV and Flynn for PG next year.  Achiuwa adds to a glut of SF/PF players that in the 6'8"-6'9" range but is an ok prospect.

The team is definitely doing a bit of a modified rebuild now.  They could potentially get a big with Dragic in a trade but it does look like the Raptors are going to be a team that gets heavily outrebounded again this season because they have no center depth.
 
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