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2020 HHOF Induction Thread

Kin

Kin

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Just because I'm bored...

Tomorrow they'll announce this year's inductees into the HHOF. Jarome Iginla, in his first year on the ballot, seems like the only sure thing. Marian Hossa, despite still technically being under contract, is also on the ballot and it seems crazy to me that he wouldn't also be put in on the first go. The other first year guys of any note being eligible are Brian Campbell(nice player, no chance) and Shane Doan(lol)

Beyond that it's the typical backlog of semi-qualified guys who almost certainly would be in if they played in the inflated scoring years of the 70's and 80's but who struggle to stand out from the crowd. I think Mogilny has the best case of those guys with Fleury, Cujo and Lecavalier being three guys I'd also largely be in favour of.

My guess is that the HHOF screws it up again and they skip Hossa, induct Iginla and probably put in Alfredsson as well.
 
Nik said:
Just because I'm bored...

Tomorrow they'll announce this year's inductees into the HHOF. Jarome Iginla, in his first year on the ballot, seems like the only sure thing. Marian Hossa, despite still technically being under contract, is also on the ballot and it seems crazy to me that he wouldn't also be put in on the first go. The other first year guys of any note being eligible are Brian Campbell(nice player, no chance) and Shane Doan(lol)

Beyond that it's the typical backlog of semi-qualified guys who almost certainly would be in if they played in the inflated scoring years of the 70's and 80's but who struggle to stand out from the crowd. I think Mogilny has the best case of those guys with Fleury, Cujo and Lecavalier being three guys I'd also largely be in favour of.

My guess is that the HHOF screws it up again and they skip Hossa, induct Iginla and probably put in Alfredsson as well.
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I'm betting they put in Alfredsson as well.

I wonder how much Mogilny's low game totals hurts him?
 
Iginla is obviously a lock. Hossa should be a lock, and would probably be a unanimous lock if the voters for the Selke didn't hate wingers. Mogilny is a guy that's on the fence for me but what his defection meant for all future Russian players is something extra that pushes him over the edge. After that the other main candidates all seem to be on Almo's level but without the special circumstances to push them over.

I won't pretend to have a deep knowledge of the women's game, but I'd be looking really hard at that group to find the 4th player. I know THN mentioned Kim St-Pierre in their story about potential candidates.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Iginla is obviously a lock. Hossa should be a lock, and would probably be a unanimous lock if the voters for the Selke didn't hate wingers. Mogilny is a guy that's on the fence for me but what his defection meant for all future Russian players is something extra that pushes him over the edge. After that the other main candidates all seem to be on Almo's level but without the special circumstances to push them over.
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Mogilny's defection and what that meant for the league should put him in above the rest of the field, for sure. Not only did it mean a bunch of great Russian players would end up in the NHL, it also significantly increased the number of top players from other parts of Europe that started making it over. It was a monumental shift that broadened the talent pool and ultimately raised the skill level of the league.

CarltonTheBear said:
I won't pretend to have a deep knowledge of the women's game, but I'd be looking really hard at that group to find the 4th player. I know THN mentioned Kim St-Pierre in their story about potential candidates.
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The Athletic makes strong cases for Jennifer Botterill and Natalie Darwitz.
 
The thing about Mogilny that separates him from the pack for me a little bit is the aforementioned historical importance but also that if you have two guys with relatively similar numbers I'd lean towards the guy who had the higher peak over someone who was more consistent but less spectacular. At Mogilny's best he was one of the best handful of goal scorers in the league.
 
Bullfrog said:
Frycer14 said:
Turgeon really should be in, imo.
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Not a chance. Very good player, not HHOF level good.
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I'm torn. I appreciate that argument against him but I think that's applying a standard the HHOF has rarely used in the past. Turgeon was a lot better than a lot of guys who got put in there by virtue of having played on better teams.
 
Nik said:
The thing about Mogilny that separates him from the pack for me a little bit is the aforementioned historical importance but also that if you have two guys with relatively similar numbers I'd lean towards the guy who had the higher peak over someone who was more consistent but less spectacular. At Mogilny's best he was one of the best handful of goal scorers in the league.
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I'm not saying he should have been a Selke candidate, but his defensive game was pretty decent too. (he's somewhat under-rated in that regard like Kovalchuk.)

I'm firmly in the Mogilny for HHOF camp. Though it was a bit of an anomaly, I think his 76-goal season deserves consideration as well. Tied with Phil Esposito and Teemu Selanne for the 5th highest single-season goal output is an astonishing achievement.
 
Mogilny's career compares very favorably with HOF'er Paul Kariya. I dobt remember many thinking he didn't deserve to get in.
 
bustaheims said:
Yeah. Not a lot of consideration for major awards, only a few top 10 finishes in goals, points, etc. Definitely Hall of Very Good.
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I'm a little suspicious about the "consideration for major awards" criteria. For a player like Turgeon, the only subjective award he was really going to be in the running for is the Hart and when you're a contemporary of Gretzky/Lemieux/Various others, I don't know if that's a fair standard to hold someone to.

Edit: Also, given the way that Hockey writers tend to vote on things like the Hart it definitely specifically hurts someone like Turgeon whose case is going to be built on being a very good player on bad teams.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I won't pretend to have a deep knowledge of the women's game, but I'd be looking really hard at that group to find the 4th player. I know THN mentioned Kim St-Pierre in their story about potential candidates.
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There's a few that should be in there.
Caroline Ouellette would be my choice as next up...but Botterill is another possible selection.
 
Hossa, Iginla, Ken Holland, Kevin Lowe, Doug Wilson and Kim St. Pierre get in.

Lowe is just...I mean, sure.
 
I really don't get how Mogilny gets snubbed again in a year where the class is so weak a guy who retired 27 years ago gets in.

And also... Kevin Lowe.
 
Nik said:
Hossa, Iginla, Ken Holland, Kevin Lowe, Doug Wilson and Kim St. Pierre get in.

Lowe is just...I mean, sure.
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Lowe getting in as a player is absurd. He was a pretty good but not great defenceman on great teams.

As a builder, I could see it - the criteria for builders is a lot more lenient - but, as a player? Shouldn't have even been considered based on his personal accomplishments.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I really don't get how Mogilny gets snubbed again in a year where the class is so weak a guy who retired 27 years ago gets in.

And also... Kevin Lowe.
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It's Lowe getting in ahead of Mogilny that kills me. At least Wilson was a very productive player in his career, and has some hardware to back up his case (it also makes Randy Carlyle the only eligible Norris winner not in the Hall, which I'm good with). Lowe sets a new standard for most ridiculous entry.
 
bustaheims said:
Nik said:
Hossa, Iginla, Ken Holland, Kevin Lowe, Doug Wilson and Kim St. Pierre get in.

Lowe is just...I mean, sure.
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Lowe getting in as a player is absurd. He was a pretty good but not great defenceman on great teams.

As a builder, I could see it - the criteria for builders is a lot more lenient - but, as a player? Shouldn't have even been considered based on his personal accomplishments.
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The thing about Lowe is that it's probably just the most blatant admission yet that the HHOF is really just an old boys' club where being pals with the guys doing the voting and being a hockey lifer matters way more than what they actually accomplished in the game. The idea that Lowe was a better, more impactful hockey player than Mogilny or Curtis Joseph is just transparently insane.
 
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