2022 Blue Jays

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/jon_bois/status/1498705485956104194

I haven?t yet watched, but this first episode is an hour, as are the remaining three episodes.

 

[L K]

Jays already using their 5th catcher tonight.  I get reading McGuire and getting something for nothing.  I don?t understand having Collins on the roster but having to call up Heineman to catch.

 

[Frank E]

Jays already using their 5th catcher tonight.  I get reading McGuire and getting something for nothing.  I don?t understand having Collins on the roster but having to call up Heineman to catch.

Why do they have to call up a catcher?

 

[L K]

Jays already using their 5th catcher tonight.  I get reading McGuire and getting something for nothing.  I don?t understand having Collins on the roster but having to call up Heineman to catch.

Why do they have to call up a catcher?

Because Kirk is too fat to play catcher every day and they can?t have their backup catcher DH so they are carrying three catchers.  Jansen is hurt and will be out for ?weeks?

 

[Frank E]

Jays already using their 5th catcher tonight.  I get reading McGuire and getting something for nothing.  I don?t understand having Collins on the roster but having to call up Heineman to catch.

Why do they have to call up a catcher?

Because Kirk is too fat to play catcher every day and they can?t have their backup catcher DH so they are carrying three catchers.  Jansen is hurt and will be out for ?weeks?

Damn fat catchers.

 

[Joe S.]

https://twitter.com/jon_bois/status/1498705485956104194

I haven?t yet watched, but this first episode is an hour, as are the remaining three episodes.

I would love to see some kind of campaign to get Stieb in the HOF. He was one of the best starters of the 80s, and I?d say easily top 5 pitchers of the decade, but that?s holding him back? Wins. Which is a stupid metric for pitchers.

With all the advanced stats available, he is absolutely HOF worthy. Obviously I?m biased with him being my all time favourite Jays player, but I think it?s a bit of a travesty that he isn?t as celebrated as say, Jack Morris.

 

[bustaheims]

I would love to see some kind of campaign to get Stieb in the HOF. He was one of the best starters of the 80s, and I?d say easily top 5 pitchers of the decade, but that?s holding him back? Wins. Which is a stupid metric for pitchers.

With all the advanced stats available, he is absolutely HOF worthy. Obviously I?m biased with him being my all time favourite Jays player, but I think it?s a bit of a travesty that he isn?t as celebrated as say, Jack Morris.

The fact that he never won a Cy Young is absolutely a travesty. He deserved to win in 1984, probably 85, and arguably in 82.

 

[L K]

Jays already using their 5th catcher tonight.  I get reading McGuire and getting something for nothing.  I don?t understand having Collins on the roster but having to call up Heineman to catch.

Why do they have to call up a catcher?

Because Kirk is too fat to play catcher every day and they can?t have their backup catcher DH so they are carrying three catchers.  Jansen is hurt and will be out for ?weeks?

Damn fat catchers.

I mean it is a bit of a problem if the Jays don't think he can handle playing consecutive days at catcher.  Heineman was atrocious behind the plate.  He was completely lost at the plate in his at bat and he was messing up signals with Kikuchi.  His error directly resulted in a run too.  I understand wanting to have a 3rd catcher on the roster if you are going to DH Kirk but Kirk should be able to catch two days in a row. 

 

[Kin]

I would love to see some kind of campaign to get Stieb in the HOF. He was one of the best starters of the 80s, and I?d say easily top 5 pitchers of the decade, but that?s holding him back? Wins. Which is a stupid metric for pitchers.

With all the advanced stats available, he is absolutely HOF worthy. Obviously I?m biased with him being my all time favourite Jays player, but I think it?s a bit of a travesty that he isn?t as celebrated as say, Jack Morris.

For what it's worth, I don't think it's just wins that are the issue. His career WAR(56.5 via BR), for example, would be pretty mediocre for a HOF candidate and if you look at the pitchers between 50-60 WAR you find some HOFers, sure, but mostly not. I think that's to some extent because Stieb did not have a particularly long career(only about 2900 IP) which really matters for cumulative stats and a lot of the things people value now for pitchers he doesn't really grade out that well at(he has a bizarrely terrible K/BB ratio with very few K's)

I think someone who's a pretty good comp for Stieb is Bret Saberhagen. They're contemporaries who both pitched on some of the better AL teams of the 80's and both had fairly short careers(Saberhagen got to about 2600 IP) with pretty similar career W-L records(176-137 for Stieb, 167-117 for Saberhagen). But because Saberhagen has a significantly better K/BB ratio(3.64 to 1.61) and was a little better at controlling guys getting on base(1.14 career WHIP to Stieb's 1.24) he grades out as being a little more valuable over the course of his career(58.9 WAR). Neither guy was a serious HOF Candidate(1.4% for Stieb in his only year on the ballot, 1.3% for Saberhagen)

I can't defend Morris as that's one of the worst decisions the HOF ever made but I'm not sure what you can point to in Stieb's career that suggests he's more in line with the guys with the 60-70 WAR where HOF selection tends to be a little more common.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I would love to see some kind of campaign to get Stieb in the HOF. He was one of the best starters of the 80s, and I?d say easily top 5 pitchers of the decade, but that?s holding him back? Wins. Which is a stupid metric for pitchers.

With all the advanced stats available, he is absolutely HOF worthy. Obviously I?m biased with him being my all time favourite Jays player, but I think it?s a bit of a travesty that he isn?t as celebrated as say, Jack Morris.

The fact that he never won a Cy Young is absolutely a travesty. He deserved to win in 1984, probably 85, and arguably in 82.

You guys should watch the Stieb series. I just started watching and it?s solid. Starts with an amazing anecdote.

Too bad a (non-spousal abusing) sports journalist didn?t take up the Stieb HOF cause like Jonah Keri did for Tim Raines.

 

[Highlander]

Jays already using their 5th catcher tonight.  I get reading McGuire and getting something for nothing.  I don?t understand having Collins on the roster but having to call up Heineman to catch.

Collins has proved to be a waste of space, Heineman we need some more samples, but why is Moreno not up and fulfilling his destiny with all our other young players.  I don't understand Collins at all.

 

[L K]

Jays already using their 5th catcher tonight.  I get reading McGuire and getting something for nothing.  I don?t understand having Collins on the roster but having to call up Heineman to catch.

Collins has proved to be a waste of space, Heineman we need some more samples, but why is Moreno not up and fulfilling his destiny with all our other young players.  I don't understand Collins at all.

Moreno only has the AA season under his belt and missed a big chunk of spring training due to visa issues.

He's going to be a mid-season call-up.  He'll still benefit from a bit of seasoning.

On the other side of the good news spectrum Alyssa Nakken served as the 1st base coach for the Giants last night after their 1st base coach got ejected.  That makes her the first female coach to be on the field during a game.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Vladdy, oh my.

 

[L K]

Three long home runs and a double.  He is amazing

We probably have the best hockey player and best baseball player playing in Toronto right now

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/CespedesBBQ/status/1514421702385704964

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/jsterlingcalls/status/1514424180749455362

Lol

 

[Deebo]

https://twitter.com/JSterlingCalls/status/1514424180749455362

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/mearnspsa/status/1514393544764571648

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/statsbystats/status/1514431019998486534

 

[Kin]

https://twitter.com/CespedesBBQ/status/1514421702385704964

It's not, like, by a week or something either. Guerrero is more than a full year younger than Rutschman.