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2022 Blue Jays

Bender said:
What's the issue you would say?
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Well, their bullpen isn't very good and none of their big off-season additions are playing particularly well other than Gausman. Combine that with down years from most of their hitters, none of which I think is attributable to Montoyo as he was here last year when they were raking, and the team is struggling. I don't think a new manager fixes any of that.
 
Bender said:
Nik said:
Jays fire Montoyo. Not surprising but I think it's a non-fix masking over a deeper problem.
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What's the issue you would say?
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well at least partly he doesn't listen to his own damn players. Called a first base out challenge in the game last night even though Vladdy clearly told him not to, that he (Vladdy) missed the base and the runner was safe. Runner WAS safe, and the Jays lost their challenge.....and pretty much the very next play they could've used it but couldn't because Montoya had wasted it.

Just makes me wonder how much other stuff is going on.
 
Meh?  I'm not the biggest Montoyo fan but I also don't think this changes much about the fate of the team.

They aren't losing games because Montoyo is pulling the wrong strings.  Sometimes you have a manager who overplays veterans or relies on certain relievers too much.  I'm not seeing that from him. 

The offense has a terrible approach at the plate this year.  There hasn't been an adjustment to their hitting approach.  That is far more on Guillermo Martinez. 

The bullpen is just garbage.  Too many soft throwing guys.

The rotation fell apart when Ryu was bad/got hurt (Jays got incredibly lucky to get two seasons of good health out of him) and then Kikuchi was unsurprisingly bad.  Stripling is a good pitcher but it killed the bullpen depth to lose the long-man to offset the unreliable back of the rotation.

This season is more an indictment on Shapiro/Atkins than Montoyo.

I'm also not fussed about firing Charlie though because I don't think he's a manager that is going to bring a team to a championship either.  A change was probably necessary at some point in the next 1-2 years for the Jays to take the next step either way.  I just don't think firing him now is going to do much to fix a very flawed roster that has to compete in a brutal division.
 
https://twitter.com/DamoSpin/status/1547257606787502081?s=20&t=VbK8VTb6GKJ0zUIfJE_obw

Ah Damian Cox, never change.
 
They finish up the "first half" with four games against an awful Royals team that has to call up half a roster due to non-vaccination.  They are in a 3-way tie for the 2nd wildcard with Boston and Seattle.  If they don't sweep the Royals here I don't have much faith in the team in the second half.
 
Iafrate said:
https://twitter.com/DamoSpin/status/1547257606787502081?s=20&t=VbK8VTb6GKJ0zUIfJE_obw

Ah Damian Cox, never change.
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The same Damien Cox who had an entire article about wanting to see the high-five "train" by the bench along with going to tap the goalie on the pads after a goal stopped.

What a miserable coot.
 
Yup. He doesn't like that a bunch of mostly 20-somethings are having fun while playing sports for a living. I don't know about you, but I thought sports were supposed to be fun.

What a Karen.
 
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