2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[herman]

The AAV is what we as fans care about, but the total contract value, cap hit % relative to the market, and control is what the agent/Willy will be looking at.

Standard practice for Leafs stars since Brandon Pridham arrived:

9.88M AAV | 11.27% of 2024 Cap
Front-loaded with signing bonuses and nearly league min salary | 15M-14M-12M-10M-9M-7.04M-6M-6M
NMC for the first 4 years in alignment with Matthews' contract
M-NTC for the last 4 years so everyone has more flexibility if contention is in question

Comps:
Filip Forsberg is at 10.3% coming off a 42G 84Pt season
David Pastrnak is at 13.64% in the midst of a 61G 113Pt campaign

 

[herman]

https://x.com/itsmitchmarney/status/1732774010973221269
this dude rocks

 

[ZBBM]

Bummer, I'd like to read that Woll story.

 

[Bender]

https://twitter.com/itsmitchmarney/status/1732774010973221269
this dude rocks

What an awesome dude!

 

[herman]

Bummer, I'd like to read that Woll story.

Aside from the Lego, the only thing you need to know is:

Before Woll left St. Louis for Michigan and the U.S. National Team Development Program at 16, he gave a gift to [Bruce] Racine as a thank-you for years of tutelage: A hand-drawn picture of Price.

?My idol,? Woll said of Price.

 

[Joe S.]

Bummer, I'd like to read that Woll story.

Aside from the Lego, theonly thing you need to know is:

Before Woll left St. Louis for Michigan and the U.S. National Team Development Program at 16, he gave a gift to [Bruce] Racine as a thank-you for years of tutelage: A hand-drawn picture of Price.

?My idol,? Woll said of Price.

Well that certainly beats the Iafrate pic I drew featuring what I can assume is him beating Jon Casey.

 

[herman]

Well that certainly beats the Iafrate pic I drew featuring what I can assume is him beating Jon Casey.

You went above and beyond on the netting detail though

 

[L K]

High ankle sprain.  Not great. 

 

[herman]

High ankle sprain.  Not great. 

Better than a hip dislocation!
Or knee ligament tear, or groin tear. Tearing in general would?ve sucked.

 

[Bill_Berg]

High ankle sprain.  Not great. 

Better than a hip dislocation!
Or knee ligament tear, or groin tear. Tearing in general would?ve sucked.

So 6 weeks out, and it could be longer, puts it at about 20 games with no Woll. ??

 

[cw]

I've looked at the replay. It doesn't look wildly twisted or anything like that. If he hadn't remained down, I couldn't tell he'd been hurt on the play. Nothing obvious. It's in an awkward position that many goalies seem to get into. That might be positive in that it is not very mangled.

 

[Highlander]

I love Woll and have watched him step by step since the draft. He will be back, thank God, not some career type hip injury.  In the meantime maybe we get a small preview of the Beast if  Darby and Jones falter.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I've looked at the replay. It doesn't look wildly twisted or anything like that. If he hadn't remained down, I couldn't tell he'd been hurt on the play. Nothing obvious. It's in an awkward position that many goalies seem to get into. That might be positive in that it is not very mangled.

They showed an earlier play where he might have tweaked something. I don't think the last move was the main culprit, just the final straw.
Kind of a best case scenario though. A groin or a knew would be much worse.

 

[Highlander]

I've looked at the replay. It doesn't look wildly twisted or anything like that. If he hadn't remained down, I couldn't tell he'd been hurt on the play. Nothing obvious. It's in an awkward position that many goalies seem to get into. That might be positive in that it is not very mangled.

They showed an earlier play where he might have tweaked something. I don't think the last move was the main culprit, just the final straw.
Kind of a best case scenario though. A groin or a knew would be much worse.

Yep, he may have tweaked the problem in one of is prior acrobatic saves.  He was channelling Hasek for a while.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I've looked at the replay. It doesn't look wildly twisted or anything like that. If he hadn't remained down, I couldn't tell he'd been hurt on the play. Nothing obvious. It's in an awkward position that many goalies seem to get into. That might be positive in that it is not very mangled.

They showed an earlier play where he might have tweaked something. I don't think the last move was the main culprit, just the final straw.
Kind of a best case scenario though. A groin or a knew would be much worse.

Yep, he may have tweaked the problem in one of is prior acrobatic saves.  He was channelling Hasek for a while.

He was unreal.

 

[ZBBM]

I love Woll and have watched him step by step since the draft. He will be back, thank God, not some career type hip injury.  In the meantime maybe we get a small preview of the Beast if  Darby and Jones falter.

That's what I say.  Look at this as an opportunity to let the Swedish Skyscraper dominate the T.O.skyline.

 

[cw]

I've looked at the replay. It doesn't look wildly twisted or anything like that. If he hadn't remained down, I couldn't tell he'd been hurt on the play. Nothing obvious. It's in an awkward position that many goalies seem to get into. That might be positive in that it is not very mangled.

They showed an earlier play where he might have tweaked something. I don't think the last move was the main culprit, just the final straw.
Kind of a best case scenario though. A groin or a knew would be much worse.

That would make some sense of this.

Knee, hip or groin would probably be worse though high ankle sprains can sometimes result in surgery. Their week to week prognosis makes surgery unlikely. When I saw high ankle sprain, my reaction was "they were probably lucky ..."

I do not expect Samsonov to regain last season's form in terms of numbers because the skaters in front of him are not as good defensively. This injury to Woll may pressure Treliving to do something sooner than later to bolster the D.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I've looked at the replay. It doesn't look wildly twisted or anything like that. If he hadn't remained down, I couldn't tell he'd been hurt on the play. Nothing obvious. It's in an awkward position that many goalies seem to get into. That might be positive in that it is not very mangled.

They showed an earlier play where he might have tweaked something. I don't think the last move was the main culprit, just the final straw.
Kind of a best case scenario though. A groin or a knew would be much worse.

That would make some sense of this.

Knee, hip or groin would probably be worse though high ankle sprains can sometimes result in surgery. Their week to week prognosis makes surgery unlikely. When I saw high ankle sprain, my reaction was "they were probably lucky ..."

I do not expect Samsonov to regain last season's form in terms of numbers because the skaters in front of him are not as good defensively. This injury to Woll may pressure Treliving to do something sooner than later to bolster the D.

What is the timeline on Liljegren? Getting him back in the line up will certainly help bolster the D

 

[Guilt Trip]

I've looked at the replay. It doesn't look wildly twisted or anything like that. If he hadn't remained down, I couldn't tell he'd been hurt on the play. Nothing obvious. It's in an awkward position that many goalies seem to get into. That might be positive in that it is not very mangled.

They showed an earlier play where he might have tweaked something. I don't think the last move was the main culprit, just the final straw.
Kind of a best case scenario though. A groin or a knew would be much worse.

That would make some sense of this.

Knee, hip or groin would probably be worse though high ankle sprains can sometimes result in surgery. Their week to week prognosis makes surgery unlikely. When I saw high ankle sprain, my reaction was "they were probably lucky ..."

I do not expect Samsonov to regain last season's form in terms of numbers because the skaters in front of him are not as good defensively. This injury to Woll may pressure Treliving to do something sooner than later to bolster the D.

What is the timeline on Liljegren? Getting him back in the line up will certainly help bolster the D

Nothing yet but he's skating again.

 

[cw]

I've looked at the replay. It doesn't look wildly twisted or anything like that. If he hadn't remained down, I couldn't tell he'd been hurt on the play. Nothing obvious. It's in an awkward position that many goalies seem to get into. That might be positive in that it is not very mangled.

They showed an earlier play where he might have tweaked something. I don't think the last move was the main culprit, just the final straw.
Kind of a best case scenario though. A groin or a knew would be much worse.

That would make some sense of this.

Knee, hip or groin would probably be worse though high ankle sprains can sometimes result in surgery. Their week to week prognosis makes surgery unlikely. When I saw high ankle sprain, my reaction was "they were probably lucky ..."

I do not expect Samsonov to regain last season's form in terms of numbers because the skaters in front of him are not as good defensively. This injury to Woll may pressure Treliving to do something sooner than later to bolster the D.

What is the timeline on Liljegren? Getting him back in the line up will certainly help bolster the D

Nothing yet but he's skating again.

He had a bad ankle sprain in 2018-19. He was out 11 weeks.
He said this ankle sprain was not as bad.
If it was as bad, he'd be back by Jan 20th (11 weeks after injury).
As he's just back skating and it wasn't as bad, he should return well before that.
My guess would be he needs a minimum of 2 weeks skating so something like Dec 23rd at the earliest.