2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[herman]

https://x.com/jonassiegel/status/1749906589941702748

 

[Joe S.]

Subtraction by subtraction.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/1749906589941702748

All good till Bert comes back then someone is going somewhere.

 

[cw]

https://twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/1749906589941702748

All good till Bert comes back then someone is going somewhere.

Reaves has contributed the fewest minutes, fewest points & by far, team worst +/- -11.
Everyone else on the roster has contributed more - handily.
He's had 2 fights. McCabe, Domi, Benoit, McMann, Lagesson, Knies & Giordano have 13 fights. They're well above league average without Reaves.

Anyone else other than Holmberg or Robertson (waivers exempt and contributing) could be lost on waivers.
It will cost the cap $250k/yr to waive him.
No team will pick up his contract. If they were that stupid, they would be doing the Leafs a favor.
He shot his mouth off in the media.
So he can ride the buses in the AHL.

When Woll comes back, if there are no other injuries, then they have a real decision to make.
But this decision is a no brainer.

 

[Arn]

Yes, for someone who?s raison d?etre for being signed was his intangibles of being good in the room and a team guy and all, on the face of it it seems a bit strange he spoke out publicly.

 

[Bill_Berg]

I worry this Reaves situation will deter other vets from signing in Toronto. Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Is there a video or full statement from Reaves? My gut tells me that some of it was taken out of context much the way Marner was last week.

 

[Joe S.]

I worry this Reaves situation will deter other vets from signing in Toronto. Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

What situation though? He?s played like hot garbage. Not sure why other vets would care about this one way or the other.

 

[bustaheims]

I worry this Reaves situation will deter other vets from signing in Toronto. Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

People say something like this every time there?s any sort of issue with a player, and it never seems to have much of an impact.

 

[Joe S.]

I worry this Reaves situation will deter other vets from signing in Toronto. Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

People say something like this every time there?s any sort of issue with a player, and it never seems to have much of an impact.

If anything it might attract more vets because Treliving is giving out ridiculous contracts.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I worry this Reaves situation will deter other vets from signing in Toronto. Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

People say something like this every time there?s any sort of issue with a player, and it never seems to have much of an impact.

If anything it might attract more vets because Treliving is giving out ridiculous contracts.

Yup..

 

[Bill_Berg]

I worry this Reaves situation will deter other vets from signing in Toronto. Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

People say something like this every time there?s any sort of issue with a player, and it never seems to have much of an impact.

If anything it might attract more vets because Treliving is giving out ridiculous contracts.

Lol, that's one way to look at it. Of course they must not care about winning then.

Maybe Reaves not playing helped Perry make up his mind. And I don't think he played much worse than anyone expected.

 

[bustaheims]

Lol, that's one way to look at it. Of course they must not care about winning then.

Maybe Reaves not playing helped Perry make up his mind. And I don't think he played much worse than anyone expected.

I suspect the bonuses Edmonton was willing to offer played a bigger part in it.

 

[cw]

I worry this Reaves situation will deter other vets from signing in Toronto. Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

People say something like this every time there?s any sort of issue with a player, and it never seems to have much of an impact.

If anything it might attract more vets because Treliving is giving out ridiculous contracts.

Or provides the impression that a prospective UFA is going to a competitive hockey team - not a country club rehab. Leafs have the deep pockets for Robidas island. I don't think that is a bad thing.

 

[Bill_Berg]

I worry this Reaves situation will deter other vets from signing in Toronto. Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

People say something like this every time there?s any sort of issue with a player, and it never seems to have much of an impact.

If anything it might attract more vets because Treliving is giving out ridiculous contracts.

Or provides the impression that a prospective UFA is going to a competitive hockey team - not a country club rehab. Leafs have the deep pockets for Robidas island. I don't think that is a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want them to play him. It's just such a terrible signing. What did they expect? He's playing exactly the way everyone expected him to play. If they didn't want that, why sign him? And why sign him for three damn years!

 

[cw]

I worry this Reaves situation will deter other vets from signing in Toronto. Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

People say something like this every time there?s any sort of issue with a player, and it never seems to have much of an impact.

If anything it might attract more vets because Treliving is giving out ridiculous contracts.

Or provides the impression that a prospective UFA is going to a competitive hockey team - not a country club rehab. Leafs have the deep pockets for Robidas island. I don't think that is a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want them to play him. It's just such a terrible signing. What did they expect? He's playing exactly the way everyone expected him to play. If they didn't want that, why sign him? And why sign him for three damn years!

I saw the fight or hit clips. I didn't see him skating much, etc. I didn't know he had issues but it isn't my job to know. They would have medical on him. They signed him for 3 years to outbid other teams apparently. When you find out about his knee braces and how bad his knees were, it is not an easy signing to understand. But it is a max $250k cap hit for each AHL season ...

 

[Bill_Berg]

I worry this Reaves situation will deter other vets from signing in Toronto. Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

People say something like this every time there?s any sort of issue with a player, and it never seems to have much of an impact.

If anything it might attract more vets because Treliving is giving out ridiculous contracts.

Or provides the impression that a prospective UFA is going to a competitive hockey team - not a country club rehab. Leafs have the deep pockets for Robidas island. I don't think that is a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want them to play him. It's just such a terrible signing. What did they expect? He's playing exactly the way everyone expected him to play. If they didn't want that, why sign him? And why sign him for three damn years!

I saw the fight or hit clips. I didn't see him skating much, etc. I didn't know he had issues but it isn't my job to know. They would have medical on him. They signed him for 3 years to outbid other teams apparently. When you find out about his knee braces and how bad his knees were, it is not an easy signing to understand. But it is a max $250k cap hit for each AHL season ...

If they didn't do normal diligence on his health, that's bad. If it worsened then getting rid of him is reasonable. But if nothing unexpected popped up on the injury front, it's just ugly.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

What did they expect? He's playing exactly the way everyone expected him to play.

Just wanted to jump in here and say his on-ice results have actually been like significantly worse than what they were last year with Minnesota:

45.99 CF%, 2.00 GA/60, 51.28 GF%, 2.33 xGA/60, 48.67 xGF%

vs. this year in Toronto:

42.86 CF%, 5.10 GA/60, 13.33 GF%, 2.81 xGA/60, 37.07 xGF%

His deployment in Minnesota was also much less favourable than it's been in Toronto. We could definitely have tolerated a season of Reaves if he was performing at his Minny numbers (his presence on the 4th line would still have made Kampf's defensive talents a complete waste but that's another story). He was, at the very least, somewhat kinda sorta playable I guess. That's not even remotely the case now.

So that's just to say whatever anyone expected him to play like in his first season as a Leaf, he's almost certainly actually been much worse than that.

 

[Bill_Berg]

What did they expect? He's playing exactly the way everyone expected him to play.

Just wanted to jump in here and say his on-ice results have actually been like significantly worse than what they were last year with Minnesota:

45.99 CF%, 2.00 GA/60, 51.28 GF%, 2.33 xGA/60, 48.67 xGF%

vs. this year in Toronto:

42.86 CF%, 5.10 GA/60, 13.33 GF%, 2.81 xGA/60, 37.07 xGF%

His deployment in Minnesota was also much less favourable than it's been in Toronto. We could definitely have tolerated a season of Reaves if he was performing at his Minny numbers (his presence on the 4th line would still have made Kampf's defensive talents a complete waste but that's another story). He was, at the very least, somewhat kinda sorta playable I guess. That's not even remotely the case now.

So that's just to say whatever anyone expected him to play like in his first season as a Leaf, he's almost certainly actually been much worse than that.

He has better numbers with the Leafs than he did with New York! I guess expecting the best possible outcome when you make decisions is one way to go.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He has better numbers with the Leafs than he did with New York! I guess expecting the best possible outcome when you make decisions is one way to go.

Yeah, the Rangers caused all of this by trading Reaves away and making him look semi-playable in Minnesota. Why couldn't they have just held onto him!

Don't get me wrong, it was a horrible contract from the get go that never should have been signed by Treliving. But I didn't think he'd reach *completely unplayable and arguably worst player in the entire league* bad until year 2.