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2025 World Juniors

From the time I was born all through my teen years, you could make a sheet of ice in your backyard that would usually last until some time in March or so (in Toronto). If you didn't do that, the parks had natural rinks maintained by the city - all free. When my daughters came along in the 90s, I tried once to make a rink for them in the back yard - it barely lasted - too warm. To take them skating, we had to take them to an arena/artificial ice. I'll bet climate change is having an impact because the ice is not convenient and free.

In my teens, we were hockey bums playing 6-7 hours per day. Pucks lasted nearly forever. Ice was free. Skates didn't change that often at that age. Big expense for me was breaking wooden sticks working on my slapshot but those dollars would be laughable today. Back then, give me skates, a puck, a stick and some ice (even if I had to shovel it off) and I was good for hours.
You can't do that in Toronto's climate today. I suspect that is part of it.
Who lives close to downtown?

There is a free outdoor rink by my place right around bloor/Danforth we can play shinny. I'm committing to play at least once per week over the next 60 days.

I also built a small artificial pad in my backyard that can be played with skates or shoes. Because a real ice rink is impossible now.

If interested in playing on the real rink, just DM me and I'll let you know the shinny times at the free outdoor rink. It's pretty chill and sometimes a former very famous Leaf shows up too. It will close by Mar 1.
 
Also I'm also looking for a ball hockey league for above 50 year old (or above 40 year olds)...... would love some suggestions on that. Thanks!!!
 
I think the number one downturn in registration is the cost. $12,000/yr to play AAA hockey in the GTA. $10,000 to play in the top female leagues. On top of that fee, players are paying for personal trainers, private skills training, mental health coaches..etc. People simply cannot afford it, or choose there are much better things to put that money towards.

I agree that the lack of "outdoor ice" may be an issue but I also don't see kids playing even road hockey. I grew up in Northern Ontario where there was more ice to skate on than you could hope for. But even on days that we couldn't get to the outdoor rink or pond, we'd be in the street playing road hockey. That does not happen anymore.

Finally, and I think this contributes to the lack of "playing just to play", I think that hockey has become a job for these kids. It's all training, all the time. Even the players that aren't going anywhere. A week in the life of a rep hockey player looks like this:
  • Monday - Practice
  • Tuesday - Private Skills Training
  • Wednesday - Dryland
  • Thursday - Practice
  • Friday - Day Off (Travel if playing out of town)
  • Saturday - Game
  • Sunday - Game
  • Rinse and Repeat.
With the above, how can we expect these kids to keep up. They either exhaust themselves, fall out of love with the game, or decide that if they're not doing all that, they're not going to make it, so they give up.
 
I think the number one downturn in registration is the cost. $12,000/yr to play AAA hockey in the GTA. $10,000 to play in the top female leagues. On top of that fee, players are paying for personal trainers, private skills training, mental health coaches..etc. People simply cannot afford it, or choose there are much better things to put that money towards.

I agree that the lack of "outdoor ice" may be an issue but I also don't see kids playing even road hockey. I grew up in Northern Ontario where there was more ice to skate on than you could hope for. But even on days that we couldn't get to the outdoor rink or pond, we'd be in the street playing road hockey. That does not happen anymore.

Finally, and I think this contributes to the lack of "playing just to play", I think that hockey has become a job for these kids. It's all training, all the time. Even the players that aren't going anywhere. A week in the life of a rep hockey player looks like this:
  • Monday - Practice
  • Tuesday - Private Skills Training
  • Wednesday - Dryland
  • Thursday - Practice
  • Friday - Day Off (Travel if playing out of town)
  • Saturday - Game
  • Sunday - Game
  • Rinse and Repeat.
With the above, how can we expect these kids to keep up. They either exhaust themselves, fall out of love with the game, or decide that if they're not doing all that, they're not going to make it, so they give up.
Good comments by all.

My understanding (I haven't confirmed it though) is that street hockey was made illegal in the GTA..... is that true?

Also with that type of schedule and refinement and training you listed, Canada ends up producing the same type of player. Highly refined and skilled, yet without the heart to dig down deep and power through for a win. Bernard, Marner, McKenna. All incredible talents and skilled but they aren't gritty character players that lose teeth, sacrifice for team and inspire for medal wins or game 7 wins like the players Canada produced 20 to 40 years ago.
 
Also with that type of schedule and refinement and training you listed, Canada ends up producing the same type of player. Highly refined and skilled, yet without the heart to dig down deep and power through for a win. Bernard, Marner, McKenna. All incredible talents and skilled but they aren't gritty character players that lose teeth, sacrifice for team and inspire for medal wins or game 7 wins like the players Canada produced 20 to 40 years ago.
Beacuse they're highly skilled they don't have the heart? What a load of bullshit.
 
Also with that type of schedule and refinement and training you listed, Canada ends up producing the same type of player. Highly refined and skilled, yet without the heart to dig down deep and power through for a win. Bernard, Marner, McKenna. All incredible talents and skilled but they aren't gritty character players that lose teeth, sacrifice for team and inspire for medal wins or game 7 wins like the players Canada produced 20 to 40 years ago.
A team should never be built solely on either attribute. Coaches generally lean heavily on the skilled end and pay little attention to the play drivers. My daughter just went through it with a Junior team she's auditioning for. During the ice she was all over their current players. Overpowering them in corners and beating them for loose pucks. The coaches comments after the game was "everybody does that, but I need you to start scoring goals"....What a short sighted thing to do and it actually gives us hesitation to play there.
 
Marner’s only problem is sometimes trying too hard to make something happen a certain way.
I don't see that problem in that clip

Since he came into the league in 2016-17, his takeaway/60 is 3rd in the league so I think Marner "trying too hard to make something happen a certain way" has some real rewards as do his shot blocking, throwing some hits and making a smart effort defensively that some players on his team won't do.

In his career so far, he's 8th in league scoring, 3rd in Pts/60 and 26th in +/-.

I would not try to reign someone like that very much in terms of "trying too hard" because he is more successful than nearly everyone else in the league trying the way he is. If it ain't broke ...
 
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5 wins out of 16 with the "best" talent the Leafs ever had does not lie. It could be architecture, it could be chemistry, but it also could be that certain core players are missing the mettle it takes to push through adversity in a playoff series and especially in winner take all games.

I am lucky I get to watch "regular season Marner"..... he blows my mind with his finesse. We all know how amazing he is.

But it's kind of like "pre-season Robertson" who dazzles with snipes and speed when the stakes on the ice are not so high, yet mostly disappaers when the men get separated from the boys in the regular season. For Marner its reg season to playoffs when the transformation occurs. Mom's Spaghetti.
 
I don't see that problem in that clip
That problem isn’t demonstrated in that clip, and it’s largely an offense generation issue that can be sorted by coaching if Marner can get off his default mode of picking seam plays from the perimeter from a standstill against a fully set defense.
 
5 wins out of 16 with the "best" talent the Leafs ever had does not lie. It could be architecture, it could be chemistry, but it also could be that certain core players are missing the mettle it takes to push through adversity in a playoff series and especially in winner take all games.

I am lucky I get to watch "regular season Marner"..... he blows my mind with his finesse. We all know how amazing he is.

But it's kind of like "pre-season Robertson" who dazzles with snipes and speed when the stakes on the ice are not so high, yet mostly disappaers when the men get separated from the boys in the regular season. For Marner its reg season to playoffs when the transformation occurs. Mom's Spaghetti.
In the playoffs, in his career, Marner is the Leafs leading scorer, highest ppg, handily leads +/- with +10, 2nd in takeaways/60, etc, etc. His numbers are respectable in the league overall.
His playoff ppg is 78% of his regular season. Auston Matthews is 76%. Tavares 75%. Nylander 89%
When a team doesn't go deep in the playoffs or runs into a hot goalie or a player is on a weaker team - things like that, scoring numbers go down. It is not really a big enough sample size to draw too much from it - a little over half a season.
But with the stats we have in the playoffs, he's not a bum.

The top 10 scorers in NHL history are around 88% (with one maybe outlier, Messier). 85% without the outlier.
All the other top 10 scorers in NHL history see their playoff ppgs lower than the regular season.
Half the lousy teams in the league are out of it. Competition in the playoffs is tougher. Thus harder to score.
Yzerman scored 81% of his regular season ppg in the playoffs. Marcel Dionne 70% because he wasn't on good teams. Doug Gilmour was 79% of his regular season ppg (he was much better during his Leafs years). I'm not too alarmed with Marner in the playoffs. His teammates concern me more.
 
My understanding (I haven't confirmed it though) is that street hockey was made illegal in the GTA..... is that true?

When I last checked, it was allowed between 9am and 8pm on local/quiet streets - something like that.
We used to play it a lot during lunch at school.
 
In the playoffs, in his career, Marner is the Leafs leading scorer, highest ppg, handily leads +/- with +10, 2nd in takeaways/60, etc, etc. His numbers are respectable in the league overall.
His playoff ppg is 78% of his regular season. Auston Matthews is 76%. Tavares 75%. Nylander 89%
When a team doesn't go deep in the playoffs or runs into a hot goalie or a player is on a weaker team - things like that, scoring numbers go down. It is not really a big enough sample size to draw too much from it - a little over half a season.
But with the stats we have in the playoffs, he's not a bum.

The top 10 scorers in NHL history are around 88% (with one maybe outlier, Messier). 85% without the outlier.
All the other top 10 scorers in NHL history see their playoff ppgs lower than the regular season.
Half the lousy teams in the league are out of it. Competition in the playoffs is tougher. Thus harder to score.
Yzerman scored 81% of his regular season ppg in the playoffs. Marcel Dionne 70% because he wasn't on good teams. Doug Gilmour was 79% of his regular season ppg (he was much better during his Leafs years). I'm not too alarmed with Marner in the playoffs. His teammates concern me more.
Thanks for putting together these stats. The metrics are the metrics and I have to adjust my impression that's based on eyeball.
 
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