Andrew MacDonald to Flyers

[ZBBM]

Oh come on.  I know we never want to give Philly credit for anything -- I know it leaves an oily taste in my mouth -- but that's a good deal for them.  Since no superstar d-men are likely to move at the deadline, he's the kind of player we should be targeting to shore up our defense.

You know he's basically smaller, less offensively talented, left-handed version of Cody Franson, right? He's good at getting his body in front of the puck and he's good at passing the puck. He's not very good at everything else.

I know that our crappy defense could use another guy like Gleason who does something very well, like block shots.  That's what I know.  Along with knowing the any upgrade to our defense, however, marginal, would be, in fact, an upgrade.  I know that too.

 

[Coco-puffs]

http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5984

SCOUTING REPORT
Assets: Moves the puck out of the defensive zone efficiently. Is a poised defender with a good hockey brain who can log an awful lot of ice time. Smart and technically strong, he also has some offensive ability.
Flaws: Is somewhat prone to injury. Also, he would be best served to start playing a more consistent game in the physicality department in order to maximize his shutdown acumen at the highest level.
Career Potential: Mobile big-minute defenseman.

Those scouting reports are virtually useless.

Just like Andrew MacDonald #nailedit

Well, I was looking for something to back up my statement that he's a decent defenseman- so sue me for not knowing The Hockey News scouting reports are "useless" as you put it.  I usually don't put much stock into that stuff, I just watch a lot of hockey (not just Leafs games) and he's been pretty good on a bad team.  Always out there against the other team's best lines.

He's definitely not useless, probably better served on the second pairing than playing the most minutes of any Islanders Defenseman.  Anyways, his contract is cheap and would have been easy to fit into our cap structure without giving up any on-roster players.  For a reported (at the start of this thread 3rd and 5th rounder) it was a good deal.  Now that the details are in and its a 2nd, 3rd, and prospect, not so much.

 

[bustaheims]

I know that our crappy defense could use another guy like Gleason who does something very well, like block shots.  That's what I know.  Along with knowing the any upgrade to our defense, however, marginal, would be, in fact, an upgrade.  I know that too.

Sure, but, Andrew MacDonald is not that guy. He blocks a lot of shots because the other team has the puck more often when he's on the ice. He wouldn't be an upgrade to the Leafs' defence. What the Leafs need are not guys who block shots, but guys who keep the puck away from the other team.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Oh come on.  I know we never want to give Philly credit for anything -- I know it leaves an oily taste in my mouth -- but that's a good deal for them.  Since no superstar d-men are likely to move at the deadline, he's the kind of player we should be targeting to shore up our defense.

You know he's basically smaller, less offensively talented, left-handed version of Cody Franson, right? He's good at getting his body in front of the puck and he's good at passing the puck. He's not very good at everything else.

Other than Franson's shot and the fact he's our only R handed defenseman, I'd rather have MacDonald in my lineup.  WAY more mobile and can reliably log many more minutes.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Oh come on.  I know we never want to give Philly credit for anything -- I know it leaves an oily taste in my mouth -- but that's a good deal for them.  Since no superstar d-men are likely to move at the deadline, he's the kind of player we should be targeting to shore up our defense.

It's actually a good price, yeah. I thought that he would get more. It just depends on what their expectations are of him and what they sign him to if he signs an extension there.

 

[bustaheims]

Other than Franson's shot and the fact he's our only R handed defenseman, I'd rather have MacDonald in my lineup.  WAY more mobile and can reliably log many more minutes.

He'd marginally more mobile, but there's no way that I can even begin to agree with the notion that he can log more minutes. They're both 3rd pairing guys.

 

[ZBBM]

I know that our crappy defense could use another guy like Gleason who does something very well, like block shots.  That's what I know.  Along with knowing the any upgrade to our defense, however, marginal, would be, in fact, an upgrade.  I know that too.

Sure, but, Andrew MacDonald is not that guy. He blocks a lot of shots because the other team has the puck more often when he's on the ice. He wouldn't be an upgrade to the Leafs' defence.

I wasn't arguing that he's the exact guy the Leafs need.  I was just saying that in a situation where we can, at best, add a guy along the lines of O'Byrne, MacDonald would be at higher end of that set of stopgap guys.  If that is what Philly was looking for (and I assume it is), then they got a good deal.

 

[bustaheims]

I wasn't arguing that he's the exact guy the Leafs need.  I was just saying that in a situation where we can, at best, add a guy along the lines of O'Byrne, MacDonald would be at higher end of that set of stopgap guys.  If that is what Philly was looking for (and I assume it is), then they got a good deal.

Honestly, I don't think he's even that, and, considering the price they paid, I don't think they got a good deal at all. He's not worth a 2nd round pick alone, never mind the 3rd rounder they added on top.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Not really, he's not very good.  It's pretty 'meh'.

You're kidding me right?  NHL Leader in Blocked Shots by a LARGE Margin.  He's just about the only useful defenseman on that team.

So that tells me he's on the ice for a lot of opposition shots against.  Not really a positive.

Yeah.. because he's the ONLY reason the Islanders give up alot of shot opportunities  :

That said, I take my statement back.  The only other useful defenseman on that team is Travis Hamonic, who I'd rather have.

Hamonic and de Haan are both better.

Yup... and thats why they play more minutes than MacDonald right?  :

Anyways... as I said earlier... for a 3rd and 5th, I would have been disappointed Nonis wasn't involved.  For a 2nd, 3rd, and prospect for a pending UFA, I'm not interested. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Honestly, I don't think he's even that, and, considering the price they paid, I don't think they got a good deal at all. He's not worth a 2nd round pick alone, never mind the 3rd rounder they added on top.

Is the 1st post wrong? It says a 3rd and a 5th.

 

[AvroArrow]

Honestly, I don't think he's even that, and, considering the price they paid, I don't think they got a good deal at all. He's not worth a 2nd round pick alone, never mind the 3rd rounder they added on top.

Is the 1st post wrong? It says a 3rd and a 5th.

Yes, it's 3rd and 2nd.

edit: and some other dude as Coco-puffs points out.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Honestly, I don't think he's even that, and, considering the price they paid, I don't think they got a good deal at all. He's not worth a 2nd round pick alone, never mind the 3rd rounder they added on top.

Is the 1st post wrong? It says a 3rd and a 5th.

Initial reports were 3rd and 5th.  TSN now says 2nd, 3rd, and Mangene.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=445250

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Is the 1st post wrong? It says a 3rd and a 5th.

Yes, it's 3rd and 2nd.

Thanks. That changes my views a bit. I wouldn't have made that trade then from a Leafs perspective. Too much to give up for what would definitely be a rental considering what his contract demands are going to be.

 

[bustaheims]

JohnBorukCSN: I am told the #Flyers will look to sign Andrew MacDonald past this season...Price tag in the $4-5 million range AAV

Yeah. That's to be expected.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

JohnBorukCSN: I am told the #Flyers will look to sign Andrew MacDonald past this season...Price tag in the $4-5 million range AAV

Yeah. That's to be expected.

Yeah....no.

 

[Jalili]

Yup... and thats why they play more minutes than MacDonald right?  :

Anyways... as I said earlier... for a 3rd and 5th, I would have been disappointed Nonis wasn't involved.  For a 2nd, 3rd, and prospect for a pending UFA, I'm not interested.

You make it sound as if playing more minutes makes MacDonald the better defenseman.

Of Hamonic and de Haan, one is a rookie being eased into the NHL and the other plays more minutes than MacDonald both at Even Strength and on PK.

So even though both are better than him there's circumstantial reasons for MacDonald having played more minutes.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

*shudders*

@davegisaac

MacDonald?s deal is six years $30 million.

 

[bustaheims]

*shudders*

@davegisaac

MacDonald?s deal is six years $30 million.

BSH_EricT: $12M on LSchenn, Grossmann, and MacDonald. I don't even...

Philly cornering the market on defencemen with poor mobility and poor puck skills.

 

[louisstamos]

*shudders*

@davegisaac

MacDonald?s deal is six years $30 million.

Yup, this has regret written all over it.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Haha.