Arizona Starts Bidding for the Rights to Draft Matthews

[Zee]

Has a team EVER traded from the #1 pick down to the #7 pick?  I can't see it happening.

 

[Highlander]

I think the Internet would be a lot different if you had to put in a nickel into a slot before you could post something.

Reminds me of Chris Rocks hilarious take on crime if bullets cost $5,000 a pop.

 

[sneakyray]

Has a team EVER traded from the #1 pick down to the #7 pick?  I can't see it happening.

They would literally have to offer double the rumored offer to even get consideration.  They would have to gut their organization to even get the leafs to listen.

 

[Bullfrog]

Has a team EVER traded from the #1 pick down to the #7 pick?  I can't see it happening.

Nor can I. Though incredibly unlikely, any trade of the no.1 pick would involve the no.2 or 3 pick.

 

[Al14]

I think the Internet would be a lot different if you had to put in a nickel into a slot before you could post something.

Reminds me of Chris Rocks hilarious take on crime if bullets cost $5,000 a pop.

They'd have to then increase the prices on knives, bats, and, crowbars!  LOL

 

[jdh1]

I'm sure that the Leafs brass is talking over the potential of Matthews,what his ceiling is,asking Hunter if he's got 100 point per season capabilities in his future.

Or trading him for a boatload of prospects that Arizona has,that may want to play in TO for the long term.

 

[Bill_Berg]

I'm sure that the Leafs brass is talking over the potential of Matthews,what his ceiling is,asking Hunter if he's got 100 point per season capabilities in his future.

Or trading him for a boatload of prospects that Arizona has,that may want to play in TO for the long term.

I considered for a little while what it would be like if Matthews jumped ship at the first opportunity to become a UFA and sign with Arizona, but that just doesn't seem to happen often, if ever, and if it becomes a trend, we'll just replace Matthews with McDavid.

I'm expecting Matthews will be a career Leaf and McDavid a career Oiler. Or something close to that.

 

[Al14]

I'm sure that the Leafs brass is talking over the potential of Matthews,what his ceiling is,asking Hunter if he's got 100 point per season capabilities in his future.

Or trading him for a boatload of prospects that Arizona has,that may want to play in TO for the long term.

I considered for a little while what it would be like if Matthews jumped ship at the first opportunity to become a UFA and sign with Arizona, but that just doesn't seem to happen often, if ever, and if it becomes a trend, we'll just replace Matthews with McDavid.

I'm expecting Matthews will be a career Leaf and McDavid a career Oiler. Or something close to that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Matthews headed home at his first opportunity.  I'd put more money on McDavid staying put with the Oilers than Matthews remaining a career long Leaf.  JMHO.

 

[Bonsixx]

I'd be surprised if the Coyotes are still in Arizona by the time Matthews is UFA-eligible.

 

[Al14]

I'd be surprised if the Coyotes are still in Arizona by the time Matthews is UFA-eligible.

Bettman wants to keep them there at all costs.  Interesting point though.

 

[Highlander]

Scottdale/Phoenix is growing at a fantastic rate, the North is finished, as we do know that Winter is coming! The team will grow into the market, the amount of money in the area is probably the highest in the country and despite years of negative results, I can attest that Gila is pretty much full when I go to the games and the resto's and restaurants in the area are packed before the games. Doesn't hurt that the Cardinals play right next door.
I don't see the area letting go of the team as people in AZ seam to see the long term vision.

When we look at Vegas most people don't realize that the population is reaching close to 5 million and most of these folks are from the N.E. States and love hockey.  As there are close to a million visitors in Vegas on any given day, you can see this beautiful new arena succeeding as more and more people who go to Vegas are not gamblers but people like you and me (unless you have a problem) and just want to be entertained.
Seeing the Leafs play in Vegas would be a gas, just like it is in Tampa or AZ. 

 

[Kin]

The team will grow into the market, the amount of money in the area is probably the highest in the country and despite years of negative results, I can attest that Gila is pretty much full when I go to the games and the resto's and restaurants in the area are packed before the games. Doesn't hurt that the Cardinals play right next door.

The most money in the country is in New York. Then LA. Then Chicago. Then Washington. I don't think Phoenix's economy would be on a top 10 list of US cities.

When we look at Vegas most people don't realize that the population is reaching close to 5 million and most of these folks are from the N.E. States and love hockey.

People don't realize that because it isn't true. It's nowhere close to being true. The entire population of the state of Nevada is only 2.8 million.

 

[rdowdall]

Scottdale/Phoenix is growing at a fantastic rate, the North is finished, as we do know that Winter is coming! The team will grow into the market, the amount of money in the area is probably the highest in the country and despite years of negative results, I can attest that Gila is pretty much full when I go to the games and the resto's and restaurants in the area are packed before the games. Doesn't hurt that the Cardinals play right next door.
I don't see the area letting go of the team as people in AZ seam to see the long term vision.

When we look at Vegas most people don't realize that the population is reaching close to 5 million and most of these folks are from the N.E. States and love hockey.  As there are close to a million visitors in Vegas on any given day, you can see this beautiful new arena succeeding as more and more people who go to Vegas are not gamblers but people like you and me (unless you have a problem) and just want to be entertained.
Seeing the Leafs play in Vegas would be a gas, just like it is in Tampa or AZ.

Highlander, do they ever do cross sport promotions?  So if you buy a ticket to the Cardinals game on Sunday, you get a ticket to the Coyotes on Monday, or something along those lines, or vice versa?

 

[Highlander]

Nik is right my figures are off, but there are 40 million visitors a year and the 2.9 million are mostly located in the Vegas area.
Your perceptions of wealth are also correct based upon overall populations of 10 Million in New York. Scottsdale on the other side of the coin is a more concentrated wealth, every other car is a Bimmer, a Merc, Range Rover, Bentley, a host of Corvettes and you probably see more Ferrraris in a day than in you would in Toronto in a year, so the concentration of wealth is immense.

I would love to go to a Cardinals game but I ususally arrive as the season is winding down and as AZ are usually at the top of the heap, it is hard to get tickets.  However the Phoenix Open is a total zoo, with up to 100K people out on the course on an one day.  People are dressed like normal golf fans, but you do see a host of folks in Business suites, Women in hooker gear or evening wear, worth at least one visit in your life.

 

[bustaheims]

Your perceptions of wealth are also correct based upon overall populations of 10 Million in New York. Scottsdale on the other side of the coin is a more concentrated wealth, every other car is a Bimmer, a Merc, Range Rover, Bentley, a host of Corvettes and you probably see more Ferrraris in a day than in you would in Toronto in a year, so the concentration of wealth is immense.

Phoenix ranks 59th in income per capita. Scottsdale isn't in the top 200. Maricopa County ranks 604th in terms of income per capita by county.

 

[Highlander]

Come down and visit and get your own impression, I have been all over the U.S and I never have seen such a display of wealth in my life and this includes West Palm Beach and other places

I defer to your stats though!

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Your perceptions of wealth are also correct based upon overall populations of 10 Million in New York. Scottsdale on the other side of the coin is a more concentrated wealth, every other car is a Bimmer, a Merc, Range Rover, Bentley, a host of Corvettes and you probably see more Ferrraris in a day than in you would in Toronto in a year, so the concentration of wealth is immense.

Phoenix ranks 59th in income per capita. Scottsdale isn't in the top 200. Maricopa County ranks 604th in terms of income per capita by county.

In fairness to Highlander, much like in Texas there are A LOT of people from other places/countries who have second homes in the area, I wonder how they figure into those numbers if it's not their primary residence.

 

[KadriFan]

Come down and visit and get your own impression, I have been all over the U.S and I never have seen such a display of wealth in my life and this includes West Palm Beach and other places

I defer to your stats though!

Tombstone and the Grand Canyon are definitely on my bucket list

 

[bustaheims]

In fairness to Highlander, much like in Texas there are A LOT of people from other places/countries who have second homes in the area, I wonder how they figure into those numbers if it's not their primary residence.

That's a valid question, though I also question the extent that segment of the market would support the Coyotes.

My guess is their impact on the figures is minimal, as they're based on where people filed their tax returns. I imagine they'd have a stronger influence on observational impressions, though.

 

[Kin]

Either way, it costs 50 bucks to go to a game in most places in the States so the Ferrari and Rover crowd isn't the biggest deal in the world if they're not hockey fans for the most part.

The issue is really going to be can you convince people to go to the games and, if not, can you convince them to watch them at home. Phoenix has been a fast growing market for years now and the answer to both questions seems to be a resounding no. While some of that can be blamed on putting the arena in Glendale and some can be blamed on how generally bad the Coyotes have been I think that at the very least the Coyotes are on their last owner who'll be interested in keeping the team where they are.