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Armchair GM 2016-2017

Nik the Trik said:
herman said:
McPhee seems to be giving out sweetheart deals for whatever reason (haha, Ottawa). I have yet to see us swindle Sweeney or Benning, for which I am disappointed.
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I have yet to see this front office swindle anyone. Lou's not getting "fell off the truck" prices anywhere.
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Yes, definitely nothing that remotely compares to the Schenn for JVR or Beauchemin for Lupul and Gardiner swindles. It's a shame Burke couldn't draft or sign a reasonable contract; his trading was pretty sweet.
 
The only trades I've liked from this group so far have been the asset management moves (Grabner!) and Dubas' draft day shenanigans.

I don't like that we didn't trade off some UFAs last year, but those are marginal at best.

We haven't really been in position to make player-for-player hockey-trades until now. I've heard the Leafs reticence to move any of their medium forwards as they're still in valuation mode (e.g. Brown) might be holding some moves off the board, and that's fine.
 
herman said:
We haven't really been in position to make player-for-player hockey-trades until now. I've heard the Leafs reticence to move any of their medium forwards as they're still in valuation mode (e.g. Brown) might be holding some moves off the board, and that's fine.
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I'm not even going to begin to try and figure out what that second sentence means.

As to the first though, why would a team's situation preclude them from making good player for player deals? New Jersey did very well trading for Hall despite not being a team on the cusp of contender-dom.
 
Nik the Trik said:
herman said:
We haven't really been in position to make player-for-player hockey-trades until now. I've heard the Leafs reticence to move any of their medium forwards as they're still in valuation mode (e.g. Brown) might be holding some moves off the board, and that's fine.
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I'm not even going to begin to try and figure out what that second sentence means.

As to the first though, why would a team's situation preclude them from making good player for player deals? New Jersey did very well trading for Hall despite not being a team on the cusp of contender-dom.
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Translation: the players other teams want to trade for are not available for trade (at least not for what they were offering), which relates to our pre-contention lack of player for player deals.
 
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-trade-value-first-round-pick/

Some Toronto content for the clicks:
1. Snow and Toronto GM Lou Lamoriello had a seven-minute conversation on the draft floor prior to Round 1. As has been reported, the name James van Riemsdyk came up. The Islanders felt Andrew Ladd and Anders Lee fit the same pattern, so they passed.

5. He?s staying low profile ? and there is serious doubt he actually wants to leave San Jose ? but there is a list of teams who want to peer inside Joe Thornton?s head. At the draft, there was a lot of talk it would take a three-year deal to lure him. Potential suitors include Columbus, Los Angeles, Montreal and the Rangers. I could see Toronto having interest, but I?m not certain... Toronto is quieter about its intentions, but don?t forget that Mike Babcock has plenty of Team Canada history with both Marleau and Thornton.
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CarltonTheBear said:
Jooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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#6 says he might also look into prolonging his career in the Swiss League, as he met his missus during his first pass through HC Davos.
 
Zee said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Jooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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As if he'd cut that beard to play for the Leafs.
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Marleau linked to here now too:

Craig Custance‏ @CraigCustance
Lots of interest in Patrick Marleau coming off 27-goal season. Toronto, Anaheim, NYR, SJ, Carolina, Nashville, LA all in the mix.
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I've brought this up a couple of times, but trading JVR and Bozak for a defenceman and/or futures and replacing them with Marleau and Thornton for the next 2 years would be a heck of a move.

Even if they lose a bit offensively because of their age, those 2 are miles ahead of JVR and Bozak defensively. Miles. The upgrade there would also make getting another top defenceman less of a priority.
 
herman said:
Translation: the players other teams want to trade for are not available for trade (at least not for what they were offering), which relates to our pre-contention lack of player for player deals.
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We're still in pre-contending mode, no?
 
Nik the Trik said:
Deebo said:
Nik the Trik said:
I agree that it shouldn't be a matter of urgent priority as another year of development for the guys on defense we have could yield some solid returns on its own.

That said, I think dealing JVR and Bozak is a priority and I don't know how much it makes sense right now to get back draft picks for them. So it seems like it makes a lot of sense to add a defenseman this summer. That said I don't think it needs to be an established defenseman.
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The problem that might arise with moving JVR and Bozak for something other than futures is that the short term remaining on their deals would restrict the suitors to teams that aren't looking to move players that are ready to contribute at the NHL level.

What type of return do you see as a possible fit to our situation?

I struggle to see anything other than futures, and perhaps moving some of those futures for something to upgrade the current roster.
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Well obviously the ideal situation would be JVR being amenable to signing an extension with whoever we dealt him to so that would be less of an issue.

But I guess what I'm thinking of is a team that's sort of in contend now mode but that has also drafted reasonably well in recent years. So I've mentioned Travis Sanheim or Jacob Larsson or Gabriel Carlsson  as possibilities.
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Yeah, getting a guy better pedigreed and bit further developed than Bracco/Lily would be pretty good. I'm not sure if this is setting my sights higher or lower, but a Jake Gardiner or Cody Franson like deal would be something I'd hope the Leafs could pull off and which would move the needle on defense (if not get them the next Drew Doughty).
 
Bullfrog said:
herman said:
Translation: the players other teams want to trade for are not available for trade (at least not for what they were offering), which relates to our pre-contention lack of player for player deals.
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We're still in pre-contending mode, no?
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I think we are in that inflection point where both deals for futures and deals for the present make sense as the team gets a read on its prospects and team weaknesses.
 
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