Brendan Shanahan to be named president of Maple Leafs

[AvroArrow]

Not sure if this is worth its own thread or not...

Leiweke interested in bringing Shanahan to Leafs

UPDATE: Cox breaks the story, should be finalized this weekend: http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=2362.msg184541#msg184541

 

[mc]

The epitome of work ethic. Shanny has won on every level. Why not?

 

[bustaheims]

bruce_arthur: If Tim Leiweke is talking to Brendan Shananan about a hockey ops job, then Dave Nonis is in trouble.

mirtle: In all seriousness on the Leafs, I'll say this much: I don't think anyone's safe right now.

 

[Fanatic]

The name Brendan Shanahan is being tossed around by Kypreos and Mackenzie, but aside from the rumors and the hype of such a move, I am wondering why the Leafs would need this. Do they need this position?

I can just see it now; people getting all fired up about a guy like Shanny coming in to the Leafs front office. But should we care about a guy who plays a role between Tim Leiweke and Dave Nonis?

I just don't get why we should care.

 

[L K]

To stop the heavy handed suspensions coming down on the Leafs.

 

[MetalRaven]

Makes me wonder if it isn't one of those "Nonis, see that guy back there? Breathing down your neck? Yeah. That Clarkson thing, lets not repeat any of that crap k? or Shanny here he gets your job."

Might be good to get an idea of how he would be as a GM for a season or two, while keeping him in the fold.

If not, I still say having Shanahan is better then not having him. Hes been on a few winning teams, so there is at least a small reason to hope he knows what a winning team might need.

 

[Boston Leaf]

Good get rid of Poulin, Fletcher, Loiselle, Steve Kasper, Bobby Carpenter, Dave Morrison and all of those cronies. New regime.. Bring in Shanny  do something

 

[Redleaf]

Good get rid of Poulin, Fletcher, Loiselle, Steve Kasper, Bobby Carpenter, Dave Morrison and all of those cronies. New regime.. Bring in Shanny  do something

Sure. Get rid of all the experienced guys and bring in a rookie to fill all their roles. :

You forgot to say, "It couldn't be worse". 

 

[Boston Leaf]

Good get rid of Poulin, Fletcher, Loiselle, Steve Kasper, Bobby Carpenter, Dave Morrison and all of those cronies. New regime.. Bring in Shanny  do something

Sure. Get rid of all the experienced guys and bring in a rookie to fill all their roles. :

You forgot to say, "It couldn't be worse". 

not saying just bring in shanny but all those guys exereince doesnt seem to be helping much. especially the scouts..and Fletcher????? He was relevant last in the 90s

 

[bustaheims]

Good get rid of Poulin, Fletcher, Loiselle, Steve Kasper, Bobby Carpenter, Dave Morrison and all of those cronies. New regime.. Bring in Shanny  do something

Sure. Get rid of all the experienced guys and bring in a rookie to fill all their roles. :

You forgot to say, "It couldn't be worse". 

Or, you know, turf the guys that are responsible for the current mess and bring in some new blood with some new ideas.

 

[Redleaf]

Good get rid of Poulin, Fletcher, Loiselle, Steve Kasper, Bobby Carpenter, Dave Morrison and all of those cronies. New regime.. Bring in Shanny  do something

Sure. Get rid of all the experienced guys and bring in a rookie to fill all their roles. :

You forgot to say, "It couldn't be worse". 

Or, you know, turf the guys that are responsible for the current mess and bring in some new blood with some new ideas.

You want to 'turf' the entire management team?

 

[bustaheims]

You want to 'turf' the entire management team?

Not necessarily the entire group, but a large part of it can probably stand to be replaced, yeah. Fletcher is a dinosaur, and I'm not sure he even contributes anymore. Loiselle is responsible for cap management, and I think it's fair to say he's done a poor job there. Poulin's done a good job with the Marlies, so he can stay. Dave Morrison I'm pretty ambivalent on. I don't think he's done a great job, but part of that is on the rest of the scouts as well. I don't think he's necessarily been terrible, either. Kasper's the head of pro scouting, which has also been pretty poor. He probably needs to go, as does his staff. Nonis gets a coach of his choosing, assuming he makes the fairly obvious move and fires Carlyle. Otherwise, he's on a super short leash, and goes with Carlyle if the team has the same issues after the first couple months of next season. The rest of the front office staff . . . well, there aren't really any in particularly important positions, so, whoever fits in with the new group can stay, the rest can go.

 

[Highlander]

Looks like we are in full "Jiyhad mode", lets blow up everything..hold on.. we need three or four new guys next year.  two or three are on our farm team?we need a number one centre and think we have the defense guy on the Marlies?Oh we do need to do a Farm Film Report blow up on Randy Carlyle where he does..blow up.. REAL GOOD!

 

[Redleaf]

You want to 'turf' the entire management team?

Not necessarily the entire group, but a large part of it can probably stand to be replaced, yeah. Fletcher is a dinosaur, and I'm not sure he even contributes anymore. Loiselle is responsible for cap management, and I think it's fair to say he's done a poor job there. Poulin's done a good job with the Marlies, so he can stay. Dave Morrison I'm pretty ambivalent on. I don't think he's done a great job, but part of that is on the rest of the scouts as well. I don't think he's necessarily been terrible, either. Kasper's the head of pro scouting, which has also been pretty poor. He probably needs to go, as does his staff. Nonis gets a coach of his choosing, assuming he makes the fairly obvious move and fires Carlyle. Otherwise, he's on a super short leash, and goes with Carlyle if the team has the same issues after the first couple months of next season. The rest of the front office staff . . . well, there aren't really any in particularly important positions, so, whoever fits in with the new group can stay, the rest can go.

Fair enough.

See. This is the area where I think the Leafs could really put their cash to work for them. Why can't they hire a headhunter to hand pick a super team of NHL executives to help the Leaf GM run this team? I'd do just that, and pay top dollar for an all-star management team.

 

[Deebo]

Good get rid of Poulin, Fletcher, Loiselle, Steve Kasper, Bobby Carpenter, Dave Morrison and all of those cronies. New regime.. Bring in Shanny  do something

Sure. Get rid of all the experienced guys and bring in a rookie to fill all their roles. :

You forgot to say, "It couldn't be worse". 

Or, you know, turf the guys that are responsible for the current mess and bring in some new blood with some new ideas.

You want to 'turf' the entire management team?

I wouldn't mind getting rid of Nonis and if the new guy wants to make other changes to the staff, I'd want to him to be able to have the permission to do that.

 

[bustaheims]

See. This is the area where I think the Leafs could really put their cash to work for them. Why can't they hire a headhunter to hand pick a super team of NHL executives to help the Leaf GM run this team? I'd do just that, and pay top dollar for an all-star management team.

Well, partly, because there are rules against just plucking guys from other teams. The other teams have to be willing to let them go. And partly because personalities and styles have to mesh. Guys need to work with each other, and, really, you need to let the boss hire his own people. The guy in charge has to be in charge. Too many cooks and all that.

 

[Redleaf]

Good get rid of Poulin, Fletcher, Loiselle, Steve Kasper, Bobby Carpenter, Dave Morrison and all of those cronies. New regime.. Bring in Shanny  do something

Sure. Get rid of all the experienced guys and bring in a rookie to fill all their roles. :

You forgot to say, "It couldn't be worse". 

Or, you know, turf the guys that are responsible for the current mess and bring in some new blood with some new ideas.

You want to 'turf' the entire management team?

I wouldn't mind getting rid of Nonis and if the new guy wants to make other changes to the staff, I'd want to him to be able to have the permission to do that.

But how much authority would you give to an individual that has never done this job anywhere, at any level before? Seems to me that is just asking for trouble.

 

[bustaheims]

But how much authority would you give to an individual that has never done this job anywhere, at any level before? Seems to me that is just asking for trouble.

They're not bringing in that new guy to be GM, though. The thinking, I imagine, if Shanny or whoever the new President might be isn't particularly experienced, is to pair them with a GM who is experienced, be that Nonis or someone else (there have been some suggestions of Hextall today, for instance, who has a lot of experience in the front office of NHL teams even though he's never been a full blown GM). It's more about bringing new blood into the mix and getting rid of some of the old guard that haven't been able to make it work. You give the guy all the authority he deserves with the position, but, you give him enough experienced support to work with - and you make sure he's a guy who is comfortable working as part of a team.

 

[Redleaf]

See. This is the area where I think the Leafs could really put their cash to work for them. Why can't they hire a headhunter to hand pick a super team of NHL executives to help the Leaf GM run this team? I'd do just that, and pay top dollar for an all-star management team.

Well, partly, because there are rules against just plucking guys from other teams. The other teams have to be willing to let them go. And partly because personalities and styles have to mesh. Guys need to work with each other, and, really, you need to let the boss hire his own people. The guy in charge has to be in charge. Too many cooks and all that.

I'm not talking about this unfolding in just one or two seasons. It would have to be something that you build out in steps over time. There would still be someone to oversee it and be in charge of the operation. I can't see any reason it couldn't work in some capacity, providing ownership is willing to part with the money. Question is....why bother?

 

[Kin]

I'm not talking about this unfolding in just one or two seasons. It would have to be something that you build out in steps over time. There would still be someone to oversee it and be in charge of the operation. I can't see any reason it couldn't work in some capacity, providing ownership is willing to part with the money. Question is....why bother?

It's not about the time frame, the problem with the idea is that it essentially ignores that in addition to money, control is something that most hockey executives seem to want in their jobs. What you're essentially proposing is a situation where not only do all of your high priced All-Star team of executives have to be satisfied with a role where they have very little in the way of authority but whoever it is at the top not only has to be alright with not only giving up the ability to choose his own staff but also be comfortable with his staff being filled with the best possible replacements for him.

The best sports teams aren't run by teams of all-star executives, they're run by one very good executive who knows how to build a staff.