Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, TSN 1050

[Strangelove]

Carrick should be in the line-up over at least three defencemen who will dress. Unfortunately, Babcock seems determined to ride or die with the veterans, who are "men", even when they're performing terribly.

Plekanec I sort of understand at a certain level, except he's been so atrocious that it's hard to justify any kind of promotion at this point, even to try and get him going. Leivo should be in over Brown as well, who has been similarly brutal for most of the season.

 

[hap_leaf]

Leafs will respond with a great game tonight, goals from Nylander, Marner, two from Matthews.

 

[cabber24]

Carrick should be in the line-up over at least three defencemen who will dress. Unfortunately, Babcock seems determined to ride or die with the veterans, who are "men", even when they're performing terribly.

Plekanec I sort of understand at a certain level, except he's been so atrocious that it's hard to justify any kind of promotion at this point, even to try and get him going. Leivo should be in over Brown as well, who has been similarly brutal for most of the season.

Brown is like one of two forwards who has played half decent in the first two games?

Carrick would be a negligible difference. We're stuck with what we have unless we went off the board for someone like Holl or Marincin. Just looking at Marlies stats: Marincin was a +35?

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/985910245947035655

 

[Strangelove]

https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/985910245947035655

Ah, the well-documented Leo effect.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Carrick should be in the line-up over at least three defencemen who will dress. Unfortunately, Babcock seems determined to ride or die with the veterans, who are "men", even when they're performing terribly.

Plekanec I sort of understand at a certain level, except he's been so atrocious that it's hard to justify any kind of promotion at this point, even to try and get him going. Leivo should be in over Brown as well, who has been similarly brutal for most of the season.

Brown is like one of two forwards who has played half decent in the first two games?

Carrick would be a negligible difference. We're stuck with what we have unless we went off the board for someone like Holl or Marincin. Just looking at Marlies stats: Marincin was a +35?

Agree about Carrick going in. Problem is our right side is weak. When Polak is your best option on the right side, you're in big trouble. Hainsey and Zaitsev are killing us.

 

[Strangelove]

Carrick should be in the line-up over at least three defencemen who will dress. Unfortunately, Babcock seems determined to ride or die with the veterans, who are "men", even when they're performing terribly.

Plekanec I sort of understand at a certain level, except he's been so atrocious that it's hard to justify any kind of promotion at this point, even to try and get him going. Leivo should be in over Brown as well, who has been similarly brutal for most of the season.

Brown is like one of two forwards who has played half decent in the first two games?

Carrick would be a negligible difference. We're stuck with what we have unless we went off the board for someone like Holl or Marincin. Just looking at Marlies stats: Marincin was a +35?

I disagree. I think we've gotten to the point where Brown is so unremarkable that not standing out for being bad is considered by many to "playing well" (similar to Leo earlier this year). The problem is that he's in a scoring role and no longer seems to be a threat to score. Simply being there isn't good enough, in my view, so he should come out for someone who is likely to make more of an impact.

I think Carrick has the potential to make more than a negligible difference. Zaitsev, Polak and Hainsey currently have no ability to handle the puck in their own end and are being caught out of position extremely consistently. Carrick would probably be a distinct improvement in that regard.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/985910245947035655

Ah, the well-documented Leo effect.

We don't need numbers to see the Leo effect. The 4th line is sooo much better with Johnsson. Leo unfortunately is done. Great guy by all accounts but isn't a fit on this team anymore.
As for Plekanec, I hope he gets going and playing with the 2 Mars bars could be a step in the right direction.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I think Carrick has the potential to make more than a negligible difference. Zaitsev, Polak and Hainsey currently have no ability to handle the puck in their own end and are being caught out of position extremely consistently. Carrick would probably be a distinct improvement in that regard.

If we're going to throw those defense under the bus we have to at least consider mentioning how terrible Gardiner has been as well.

 

[Strangelove]

I think Carrick has the potential to make more than a negligible difference. Zaitsev, Polak and Hainsey currently have no ability to handle the puck in their own end and are being caught out of position extremely consistently. Carrick would probably be a distinct improvement in that regard.

If we're going to throw those defense under the bus we have to at least consider mentioning how terrible Gardiner has been as well.

Gardiner has been their second best defenceman behind Dermott. Those two have been the only players able to move the puck up ice. Rielly needs a better showing tonight (and I have a feeling we'll see one).

 

[cabber24]

Carrick should be in the line-up over at least three defencemen who will dress. Unfortunately, Babcock seems determined to ride or die with the veterans, who are "men", even when they're performing terribly.

Plekanec I sort of understand at a certain level, except he's been so atrocious that it's hard to justify any kind of promotion at this point, even to try and get him going. Leivo should be in over Brown as well, who has been similarly brutal for most of the season.

Brown is like one of two forwards who has played half decent in the first two games?

Carrick would be a negligible difference. We're stuck with what we have unless we went off the board for someone like Holl or Marincin. Just looking at Marlies stats: Marincin was a +35?

I disagree. I think we've gotten to the point where Brown is so unremarkable that not standing out for being bad is considered by many to "playing well" (similar to Leo earlier this year). The problem is that he's in a scoring role and no longer seems to be a threat to score. Simply being there isn't good enough, in my view, so he should come out for someone who is likely to make more of an impact.

I think Carrick has the potential to make more than a negligible difference. Zaitsev, Polak and Hainsey currently have no ability to handle the puck in their own end and are being caught out of position extremely consistently. Carrick would probably be a distinct improvement in that regard.

Brown busts his ass... scoring is a bonus. We have scorers. He brings balance to JVR's and Bozak's deficiencies at D.

Our D sucks as a whole, has for as long as I can remember. Maybe since Brian Leetch?

 

[Guilt Trip]

I think Carrick has the potential to make more than a negligible difference. Zaitsev, Polak and Hainsey currently have no ability to handle the puck in their own end and are being caught out of position extremely consistently. Carrick would probably be a distinct improvement in that regard.

If we're going to throw those defense under the bus we have to at least consider mentioning how terrible Gardiner has been as well.

And Reilly also? Is this more a result of their partners? I know Reilly has had some brain farts out there but he can't carry Hainsey the whole game. What I don't get is that the D problems, when scored upon, are not of the major variety. In most cases it's a case of simply covering your man.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Carrick should be in the line-up over at least three defencemen who will dress. Unfortunately, Babcock seems determined to ride or die with the veterans, who are "men", even when they're performing terribly.

Plekanec I sort of understand at a certain level, except he's been so atrocious that it's hard to justify any kind of promotion at this point, even to try and get him going. Leivo should be in over Brown as well, who has been similarly brutal for most of the season.

Brown is like one of two forwards who has played half decent in the first two games?

Carrick would be a negligible difference. We're stuck with what we have unless we went off the board for someone like Holl or Marincin. Just looking at Marlies stats: Marincin was a +35?

I disagree. I think we've gotten to the point where Brown is so unremarkable that not standing out for being bad is considered by many to "playing well" (similar to Leo earlier this year). The problem is that he's in a scoring role and no longer seems to be a threat to score. Simply being there isn't good enough, in my view, so he should come out for someone who is likely to make more of an impact.

I think Carrick has the potential to make more than a negligible difference. Zaitsev, Polak and Hainsey currently have no ability to handle the puck in their own end and are being caught out of position extremely consistently. Carrick would probably be a distinct improvement in that regard.

Brown busts his ass... scoring is a bonus. We have scorers. He brings balance to JVR's and Bozak's deficiencies at D.

Our D sucks as a whole, has for as long as I can remember. Maybe since Brian Leetch?

Haha, that's a long time ago. Problem with Brown is he needs to score more then he has. If scoring is a bonus for him, he should be on the 4th line. Our 3rd line needs to score. JVR and Bozak are 2 of the worst defensive forwards in the game. I won't be sad to see both gone next season.

 

[azzurri63]

I'm OK if Martin draws in to set a tone (meaning finishing checks and nothing more) at home, but by God he cannot take penalties running around, given the fragile state of the PK.

Plekanec played better in Game 2 but I also would be OK with Moore going in.

Never really liked Martin as a whole but what can you expect from a 4th line winger. What I do like especially against a team like Boston is someone who can do exactly what you're stating. I hate repeating myself about this team lacking that element of the game. Irks me watching teams taking shots at our guys and we do f**k all. Kadri is the only regular with any balls on this team. Meanwhile Babcock gives more of these non-deserving players more ice time etc. Plekanec has been a waste of skin. Ragged on the trade when it happened and looks even worse today. Maybe he needs to shed the turtleneck and possibly get an extra step. Should have inserted Moore in the lineup and kept our 2nd rounder. Their numbers at the time weren't that different. But eh in Mike we trust.

 

[Guilt Trip]

For some reason Babs didn't/doesn't trust Moore..I thought Moore was fine as a 4th line centre but what do I know?

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

For some reason Babs didn't/doesn't trust Moore..I thought Moore was fine as a 4th line centre but what do I know?

I believe it's his tendency to take bad penalties.

 

[Guilt Trip]

For some reason Babs didn't/doesn't trust Moore..I thought Moore was fine as a 4th line centre but what do I know?

I believe it's his tendency to take bad penalties.

Moore has 8 minors in the 50 games he's played. I do remember a few bad penalties but 8 minors in 50 games?? Doesn't sound too bad to me.

 

[Zee]

For some reason Babs didn't/doesn't trust Moore..I thought Moore was fine as a 4th line centre but what do I know?

I believe it's his tendency to take bad penalties.

Moore has 8 minors in the 50 games he's played. I do remember a few bad penalties but 8 minors in 50 games?? Doesn't sound too bad to me.

Incredibly, Matt Martin and Roman Polak lead the team in penalty minutes despite only playing in 50 and 54 games respectively.  That's a shocker.

You're right though, Moore didn't seem like a penalty taking machine.  I do remember he took 2 in one game once, which maybe soured Babcock on him.

 

[herman]

For some reason Babs didn't/doesn't trust Moore..I thought Moore was fine as a 4th line centre but what do I know?

I believe it's his tendency to take bad penalties.

Moore has 8 minors in the 50 games he's played. I do remember a few bad penalties but 8 minors in 50 games?? Doesn't sound too bad to me.

I believe Babcock doesn't like Moore's penchant for DZ turnovers.

Per Corsica, Moore is 4th highest* forward on the team in giveaways per 60 at 5v5.

* Johnsson, Gauthier, Matthews, Moore, Nylander are the bottom 5. Matthews and Nylander both have more takeaways than giveaways and they play against top defenders. Johnsson and Gauthier's numbers come from less than 10 events total per player, so there isn't anything to read there. From what I remember of some microstats being manually tracked publicly, Matthews and Nylander's turnovers were largely in the OZ. Moore's were largely in the DZ.

 

[Zee]

For some reason Babs didn't/doesn't trust Moore..I thought Moore was fine as a 4th line centre but what do I know?

I believe it's his tendency to take bad penalties.

Moore has 8 minors in the 50 games he's played. I do remember a few bad penalties but 8 minors in 50 games?? Doesn't sound too bad to me.

I believe Babcock doesn't like Moore's penchant for DZ turnovers.

Per Corsica, Moore is 4th highest* forward on the team in giveaways per 60 at 5v5.

* Johnsson, Gauthier, Matthews, Moore, Nylander are the bottom 5. Matthews and Nylander both have more takeaways than giveaways and they play against top defenders. Johnsson and Gauthier's numbers come from less than 10 events total per player, so there isn't anything to read there. From what I remember of some microstats being manually tracked publicly, Matthews and Nylander's turnovers were largely in the OZ. Moore's were largely in the DZ.

Babcock looks at advanced stats but still plays Polak over Carrick?