Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590

[CarltonTheBear]

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10-8-1, 21 points | 7-10-4, 18 points

Projected Lines

Beleskey-Krejci-Eriksson Marchand-Bergeron-Hayes Spooner-Kemppainen-Connolly Morrow-Rinaldo-Randell Chara-Trotman Seidenberg-Miller Krug-McQuaid Rask ​

JVR-Kadri-Komarov     Matthias-Bozak-Parenteau    Winnik-Froese-Lupul Grabner-Holland-Boyes Gardiner-Phaneuf Hunwick-Rielly Harrington-Polak Reimer​

Scratches

Kevan Miller Joe Morrow   Frank Vatrano ​

Martin Marincin Frank Corrado Brad Boyes​

Line-up Notes

BOS
?Rask likely starts for the Bruins

TOR
?Reimer likely starts for the Leafs
Injuries

?Frank Vatrano - Upper Body - Questionable Monday ?Kevan Miller - Upper Body - Questionable Monday ?David Pastrnak - Foot - Injured Reserve ?Chris Kelly - Leg - Injured Reserve​

?Stephane Robidas - Old - Out indefinitely ?Nick Spaling - Upper Body - Questionable Saturday​

Stream Options

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLstreams
http://vaughnlive.tv/leafstreamer
http://gofirstrow.eu/sport/ice-hockey.html
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[GhostofPotvin29]

Glad we don't have to wait long for another game.  Especially with snow outside now.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Glad we don't have to wait long for another game.  Especially with snow outside now.

After tonight they play 2 games in 8 days.

Then 3 games in 4 days.

Then 1 game in 9 days.

What a schedule.

 

[dappleganger]

If Reimer can keep this up, does a trade market develop for his services or do the Leafs hold onto him as the starter going forward?

 

[ZBBM]

If Reimer can keep this up, does a trade market develop for his services or do the Leafs hold onto him as the starter going forward?

If Reimer could keep playing like this he'd be a Vezina candidate and of course you'd keep him.  Whether he can is the $64 question.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If Reimer can keep this up, does a trade market develop for his services or do the Leafs hold onto him as the starter going forward?

If Reimer could keep playing like this he'd be a Vezina candidate and of course you'd keep him.  Whether he can is the $64 question.

I'd actually say if he keeps playing like this and some team wanted to offer a crap load for him I take it and run.

 

[ZBBM]

If Reimer can keep this up, does a trade market develop for his services or do the Leafs hold onto him as the starter going forward?

If Reimer could keep playing like this he'd be a Vezina candidate and of course you'd keep him.  Whether he can is the $64 question.

I'd actually say if he keeps playing like this and some team wanted to offer a crap load for him I take it and run.

I would too.  I'm just not convinced a reaction goalie, even one who seems to have calmed down considerably by adopting the head-tracking technique, is the long-term solution.

 

[dappleganger]

If Reimer can keep this up, does a trade market develop for his services or do the Leafs hold onto him as the starter going forward?

If Reimer could keep playing like this he'd be a Vezina candidate and of course you'd keep him.  Whether he can is the $64 question.

I'm envisioning a Dubnyk type situation.

 

[herman]

If Reimer can keep this up, does a trade market develop for his services or do the Leafs hold onto him as the starter going forward?

If Reimer could keep playing like this he'd be a Vezina candidate and of course you'd keep him.  Whether he can is the $64 question.

I'd actually say if he keeps playing like this and some team wanted to offer a crap load for him I take it and run.

I would too.  I'm just not convinced a reaction goalie, even one who seems to have calmed down considerably by adopting the head-tracking technique, is the long-term solution.

Agreed.

What is the threshold for pulling the trigger?

I'd take a 2nd rounder + the backup they want to dump pretty easily.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

What does it really matter what "style" of goaltender they are?  Is there proof of one style being better long-term over the other?

 

[rdowdall]

What does it really matter what "style" of goaltender they are?  Is there proof of one style being better long-term over the other?

Yeah, I mean Curtis Joeseph hardly had any success at the NHL level.

 

[ZBBM]

What does it really matter what "style" of goaltender they are?  Is there proof of one style being better long-term over the other?

Yeah, I mean Curtis Joeseph hardly had any success at the NHL level.

With speed at a premium and only getting more important, I think positional goalies have a distinct advantage in today's game.  When I look at the very best goalies in the league -- Lundqvist, Price -- that's how they play.

I won't go so far as to say a Cujo couldn't have success today, but he did play most of his career in the Dead Puck Era so it's hard to compare.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

What does it really matter what "style" of goaltender they are?  Is there proof of one style being better long-term over the other?

Yeah, I mean Curtis Joeseph hardly had any success at the NHL level.

With speed at a premium and only getting more important, I think positional goalies have a distinct advantage in today's game.  When I look at the very best goalies in the league -- Lundqvist, Price -- that's how they play.

I won't go so far as to say a Cujo couldn't have success today, but he did play most of his career in the Dead Puck Era so it's hard to compare.

See I would think Lundqvist is a reaction goaltender as he plays so deep in the net.

I think the distinction is pretty fine.

 

[Kin]

What does it really matter what "style" of goaltender they are?  Is there proof of one style being better long-term over the other?

One might have thought Dominik Hasek developing into the best goalie of all time would have nailed that coffin shut.

 

[ZBBM]

What does it really matter what "style" of goaltender they are?  Is there proof of one style being better long-term over the other?

One might have thought Dominik Hasek developing into the best goalie of all time would have nailed that coffin shut.

Or not, since he like Cujo played when the game was considerably different.

But yeah, sure, it's a fine disinction.  Still, a valid one.

 

[Kin]

Or not, since he like Cujo played when the game was considerably different.

Except he, unlike Cujo, also played well in the post-lockout era into his 40's. Unless you think the game was considerably different in 06-07 than it is today.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Or not, since he like Cujo played when the game was considerably different.

But yeah, sure, it's a fine disinction.  Still, a valid one.

Tim Thomas won the Conn Smythe and set a modern day save percentage record at the age of 37 just a few years ago.

I get the idea that a reflex goalie could lose his reflexes as he ages, but even if that's true Reimer's only 27 years old so we're probably a ways away from that potentially happening.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I don't doubt that a 'reaction/reflex' goalie will lose reflexes as he ages, but it's not like 'positional' goalies won't either.  The skills they rely on will be diminished as well so I don't know where the worry about one style over the other as they age comes from, unless there's been some study done that I haven't seen that shows it.  Otherwise I think you can probably cherry-pick examples from both sides, and then there will be some sort of hybrid style as well.

Basically I don't think you can say Reimer's style will deteriorate worse with age than Bernier's or another 'positional' goalie simply due to the style.

 

[ZBBM]

Or not, since he like Cujo played when the game was considerably different.

Except he, unlike Cujo, also played well in the post-lockout era into his 40's. Unless you think the game was considerably different in 06-07 than it is today.

He played well into, but not well, well-into.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Otherwise I think you can probably cherry-pick examples from both sides, and then there will be some sort of hybrid style as well.

Most goalies these days are some soft of hybrid anyway. And I think if somebody only watched the James Reimer of this season they wouldn't call him a reflex/reaction goalie.