bustaheims
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Zee said:Nik Gida said:So to answer your question, HS, the goal differential last year was -5 if you want to listen to the NHL or around twice that according to their two abacuses.
You can't count shootout goals in their goal differential. If you look at the actual scores of the games played, Leafs were a -9 after 18 games. This year they haven't gone to OT yet so the +10 after 18 games looks even more impressive. A 19 goal differential.
Zee said:You can't count shootout goals in their goal differential. If you look at the actual scores of the games played, Leafs were a -9 after 18 games. This year they haven't gone to OT yet so the +10 after 18 games looks even more impressive. A 19 goal differential.
Corn Flake said:I'm going for beers. You guys call us when you have this sorted, k?
Zee said:So just looking at the team overall point total after 18 games and suggesting there's no difference between the Wilson and Carlyle teams is ridiculous.
Zee said:Corn Flake said:I'm going for beers. You guys call us when you have this sorted, k?
I think my original point was, although the Leafs have the same number of points after 18 games, the record this year is more impressive because it's built off good defense. You can't win consistently in the NHL having to score 4 goals a game. They have up 60 (or 61 goals depending on what you believe) in 18 games last year or 3.39 a game. Once the goal scoring dries up for stretches, the losses mount up if you keep giving up goals at that rate. So just looking at the team overall point total after 18 games and suggesting there's no difference between the Wilson and Carlyle teams is ridiculous.
Deebo said:http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm?date=10/09/2011&season=20112012&type=DIV
If you listen to the NHL, the leafs record on October 9th 2011 was 37-34-11.
My abacus says they were 2-0-0 though.
Nik Gida said:Zee said:You can't count shootout goals in their goal differential. If you look at the actual scores of the games played, Leafs were a -9 after 18 games. This year they haven't gone to OT yet so the +10 after 18 games looks even more impressive. A 19 goal differential.
I'm actually going to stick with my own math/the NHL on this one but the 15 goal swing is a legitimate improvement.
And I disagree about a shootout goal in the sense of trying to get an accurate sense of how a team played. Like it or not when accounting for a win the shootout matters.
Zee said:I was looking at how many goals a team game up vs. how many they score when they're actually playing the game not holding a skills competition. Sure the goal counts and it's worth a win, but shouldn't be considered if you're looking at overall team goal differential when comparing teams.
Nik Gida said:Zee said:So just looking at the team overall point total after 18 games and suggesting there's no difference between the Wilson and Carlyle teams is ridiculous.
Who did that?
Zee said:My bad. I assumed you were implying there was no difference between last years Leafs and this season since you pointed out they have the same point total. In "assuming" I made an ass out of u and me, although only me.
Deebo said:OldTimeHockey said:Perhaps I'm too old..but what is ROW?
ROW is a column in the standings that mean regulation and overtime wins, basically your win total without shoot out wins.
It is used for tie breaking.
Busta was probably using it to indicate GA/GF without including the "goal" awarded for winning a shootout.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:A quote attributed to Burke regarding the Leafs success this season.
"Sometimes you do the hard work and set the table and somebody else eats the meal."
Quite honestly I find that a little distasteful, I mean sure he might still be a little or a lot sore about being canned, but would it have killed him to throw out some platitude about being happy for Nonis and the players? Instead he reminds everyone that all the credit should go to him.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:A quote attributed to Burke regarding the Leafs success this season.
"Sometimes you do the hard work and set the table and somebody else eats the meal."
Quite honestly I find that a little distasteful, I mean sure he might still be a little or a lot sore about being canned, but would it have killed him to throw out some platitude about being happy for Nonis and the players? Instead he reminds everyone that all the credit should go to him.
Champ Kind said:WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:A quote attributed to Burke regarding the Leafs success this season.
"Sometimes you do the hard work and set the table and somebody else eats the meal."
Quite honestly I find that a little distasteful, I mean sure he might still be a little or a lot sore about being canned, but would it have killed him to throw out some platitude about being happy for Nonis and the players? Instead he reminds everyone that all the credit should go to him.
Is it wrong? I think it's accurate and appropriately humble.
Champ Kind said:Is it wrong? I think it's accurate and appropriately humble.
Nik said:Champ Kind said:Is it wrong? I think it's accurate and appropriately humble.
I think that given the way he ran the team in the past where Nonis had a great deal of responsibility there is something a little bit inaccurate in presenting Burke as the guy who did the hard work and Nonis as the guy who's just reaping the benefits of it.