Rebel_1812
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who to flame and blame for the current losing streak now that carlyle is fired?
Carlyle fired
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Highlander
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Horachuck, Nonis and the Friendly Ghost
LuncheonMeat
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Rebel_1812 said:
I blame you! Just in the interim, of course.
bustaheims
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mirtle: As I wrote in the piece today, Leafs won only 38 of Carlyle's last 108 games in regulation/OT. A win every three games isn't success.
OldTimeHockey
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bustaheims said:
How come Mirtle is still trying to prove that the Leafs should fire Carlyle?
Chev-boyar-sky
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bustaheims said:
No but it sure beats win every 11or 12!
L K
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Chev-boyar-sky said:
Does it? The Leafs were trending away from a playoff spot with Carlyle. So instead of finishing 8-12 we now have a shot at finishing 4-8. I'm ok with that.
Bottom line, and the thing that people defending Carlyle seem to keep missing is that it was never a Carlyle VS the team thing. It was a Carlyle AND the team issue. It's only the people defending Carlyle who seem to think that people who wanted him fired thought the team would be fixed without him.
And to be perfectly honest, it's kind of funny that the lack of goalscoring gets brought up as if it something sustainable. The Leafs are well below the NHL history worst shooting percentage right now. That won't last. They will still lose more games than they win but they won't keep having this terrible luck for another 30 games.
OldTimeHockey said:
Because plenty of people are still trying to argue that he shouldn't have been fired.
freer said:
I meant members of the media.
Chev-boyar-sky
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L K said:
Yeah I was sort of joking.
I was one of the biggest supporters of his firing and I'm more than happy for them to lose every game to get the best possible draft pick.
As to the quality of play since Horachek took over, well I haven't seen a vast improvement. Outside of the shooting percentage, I haven't seen anything on the offensive side of the puck that looks good at all. The defensive side of things is better and the breakouts too, but they've deserved to lose most every game that I've watched (all of them).
GhostofPotvin29
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Chev-boyar-sky said:
But there's a very strong chance that it appears that way because of their poor luck/SH% right now. If some of those shots had gone in, if the puck had deflected in or whatever, but everything else about their game stayed the same, chances are there wouldn't be concern about their offensive game (or at least not so much). Same thing happened last season (obviously to a lesser degree) where the offensive just ran much colder for a stretch than it had been all year.
Chev-boyar-sky
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Potvin29 said:
Maybe true. I just meant more from an offensive flow, nice passes, developing goal scoring play type standpoint.
The possession is there, they just seem to be taking low quality chances for my eyes.
Highlander
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We spoke about luck and confidence a few weeks ago. I am a big suscriber to the mystery we call luck. I think we need to have the bounce go our way for a couple of games and then the wins will come again as the confidence grows once again in the room.
Obviously our possession numbers are up quite a bit, we are not getting outshot by 20 a game, something has got to give.
Obviously our possession numbers are up quite a bit, we are not getting outshot by 20 a game, something has got to give.
GhostofPotvin29
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Chev-boyar-sky said:
It might be true - I think it's really hard to say unless you're someone tracking the quality of the shots. But then you get into a whole other issue of what is a quality chance, what might be one to you might be different to me, etc.
But I'm willing to accept that their might be less 'quality' to their chances as they're transitioning midseason to a different style of play altogether. But I still think it's coloured to a large degree by the fact they haven't scored much - so regardless it seems like the offense has been worse than it is, just as when everything is going in it seems like the offense is amazing...but in both cases you'd be seeing the influence of luck.
But I think unfortunately it's hard to really say for sure either way!
Highlander
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That is because Toskala couldnt save a beach ball.
Potvin29 said:
Potvin - I don't know why I'm responding to you...nothing against your post...
But Yeah...i can't wait for this teams "puck luck/PDO" to start to turn around and for them to start winning games 7-3 and 6-1 in meaningless games down the stretch and of course hurting our drafting position.
Of course Kessel's luck will turn around as well and he will end up with his usual 30+ goals that way - and then the inevitable "We would be crazy to trade away 30+ goal scorers - they don't grow on trees you know - who's going to score if we trade him?".
The answer of course being that Kessel should be a 40+ goal scorer who "only" scores 30+ because he lacks consistency throughout the ENTIRE season and due to the fact that he has no help (ie. has terrible team / line mates).
He needs to be the 2nd or 3rd best forward on this team or its time to trade him since he has the most value on this team (these are his prime years). It's too many years in a row for it not to be addressed.