Contracts for the Big-3

[Andy007]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-senators-melnyk-scrambling-save-arena-deal/

13. "I hope that, at the end, he makes his own choice, not anyone else?s. He?s 22. It?s his life."

Yep. And that's why you're seeing Babcock and teammates making comments in the media at this stage, to make it personal.

In the same article: Leafs feel that Nylander would be interested in a 6.9 million per year deal but haven't tabled that offer yet. Okay..so?.maybe table it?! That's quite reasonable, no?

 

[Bender]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-senators-melnyk-scrambling-save-arena-deal/

13. "I hope that, at the end, he makes his own choice, not anyone else?s. He?s 22. It?s his life."

Yep. And that's why you're seeing Babcock and teammates making comments in the media at this stage, to make it personal.

In the same article: Leafs feel that Nylander would be interested in a 6.9 million per year deal but haven't tabled that offer yet. Okay..so?.maybe table it?! That's quite reasonable, no?

I'd give him 7.5. why squeeze money out of a star? Trim the fat elsewhere. Zaitsev...?

 

[herman]

TSN HAS A BOBFATHER SET.

 

[Andy007]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-senators-melnyk-scrambling-save-arena-deal/

13. "I hope that, at the end, he makes his own choice, not anyone else?s. He?s 22. It?s his life."

Yep. And that's why you're seeing Babcock and teammates making comments in the media at this stage, to make it personal.

In the same article: Leafs feel that Nylander would be interested in a 6.9 million per year deal but haven't tabled that offer yet. Okay..so?.maybe table it?! That's quite reasonable, no?

I'd give him 7.5. why squeeze money out of a star? Trim the fat elsewhere. Zaitsev...?

Well if you can get it done for 6.9, as Freidman suggests, then yea, it should be a no-brainer. Zaitsev is definitely overpaid at 4.5 but a) I'm not sure what value you'd get out of him in a deal and b) he's one of the very few RHD that the Leaf's have and they have no capable replacement.

 

[Joe S.]

I heard Bettman has unilaterally extended the deadline to sign Nylander until the end of the year, just because this is sooo much fun.

Special dispensation is only available to  lamoriello. Only when not employed by the leafs.

 

[Frank E]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-senators-melnyk-scrambling-save-arena-deal/

13. "I hope that, at the end, he makes his own choice, not anyone else?s. He?s 22. It?s his life."

Yep. And that's why you're seeing Babcock and teammates making comments in the media at this stage, to make it personal.

In the same article: Leafs feel that Nylander would be interested in a 6.9 million per year deal but haven't tabled that offer yet. Okay..so?.maybe table it?! That's quite reasonable, no?

I don't know about you, but given all the evidence available, I think that if Nylander would sign for 6.9 on a 5+ year deal that this would have been done already.

I have to think that Nylander is deep into the $7's, and that's why they can't get anything done.

I may be proven wrong tomorrow.

 

[Andy007]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-senators-melnyk-scrambling-save-arena-deal/

13. "I hope that, at the end, he makes his own choice, not anyone else?s. He?s 22. It?s his life."

Yep. And that's why you're seeing Babcock and teammates making comments in the media at this stage, to make it personal.

In the same article: Leafs feel that Nylander would be interested in a 6.9 million per year deal but haven't tabled that offer yet. Okay..so?.maybe table it?! That's quite reasonable, no?

I don't know about you, but given all the evidence available, I think that if Nylander would sign for 6.9 on a 5+ year deal that this would have been done already.

I have to think that Nylander is deep into the $7's, and that's why they can't get anything done.

I may be proven wrong tomorrow.

That definitely seems to be the case to me as well; I'm just referring to the speculation from Freidman.

Yea, I'm very curious to see what deal Carolina signs him to tomorrow

 

[hockeyfan1]

Best of friends...

"It?s not the same, obviously, when a special guy like that is missing for a long time and you?re used to being on the ice with him and playing around and whatnot,? the 22-year-old Kapanen said. ?It?s different. But, like I said, they?ve still got two more days left and I?m sure they?ll come up with something."

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[princedpw]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-senators-melnyk-scrambling-save-arena-deal/

13. "I hope that, at the end, he makes his own choice, not anyone else?s. He?s 22. It?s his life."

Yep. And that's why you're seeing Babcock and teammates making comments in the media at this stage, to make it personal.

In the same article: Leafs feel that Nylander would be interested in a 6.9 million per year deal but haven't tabled that offer yet. Okay..so?.maybe table it?! That's quite reasonable, no?

I don't know about you, but given all the evidence available, I think that if Nylander would sign for 6.9 on a 5+ year deal that this would have been done already.

I have to think that Nylander is deep into the $7's, and that's why they can't get anything done.

I may be proven wrong tomorrow.

That definitely seems to be the case to me as well; I'm just referring to the speculation from Freidman.

Yea, I'm very curious to see what deal Carolina signs him to tomorrow

well then bridge deal

 

[slapshot]

Having Nylander signed is the most important thing here and is a win for the Leafs.

I agree. It's why they should have done it months ago.

if it was that simple, I am sure they would have...

 

[slapshot]

As far as the mangled comment goes (I don't know how to snip that out) I still fail to see how only one side can be singled out as mangling or botching something when it takes two to complete a deal.

Because ultimately the decisions are entirely in Dubas' hands. Sign Nylander for his asking price or don't, trade him or don't. As I've said a few times now, I think what Dubas has done in these negotiations is ultimately bad for the Leafs regardless of whether Nylander gets signed or not.

Also, and this is sort of a side point, but there's a bit of a limit to how much I'm inclined to think that Nylander asking for significantly more than has ever been rumoured or reported is a real possibility. I've already said I think that signing him to what his reported asking price was a month or so ago would be more or less the right thing to do.

Glad you're not managing the Leafs salary cap $8.5 million for him or even $8 mil. Haven't heard a single hockey person anywhere suggest that even remotely a good idea.

 

[Zee]

What if we also get Michael Nylander as European scout at $2M/year?

 

[Bates]

What if we also get Michael Nylander as European scout at $2M/year?

I'm actually surprised richer teams aren't doing that??? The London model!!!!

 

[Kin]

if it was that simple, I am sure they would have...

It is that simple.

 

[L K]

https://twitter.com/DylanFremlin/status/1068565191116259328

Those stats are good, but they don't really indicate how much better/worse he is relative to Matthews overall as a player. He enters well, exits well and has a ton of low to high passes. I don't think this completely disproves that Nylander's point totals are better due to playing with Matthews, who has had the best start to his career without Nylander.

Goaltender equipment shrunk this year.  Matthews is having his best year because he?s really good and there is more room to score now.  Reading into much about scoring difference last year to this year is something a lot of teams are going to make mistakes over. 

 

[herman]

Goaltender equipment shrunk this year.  Matthews is having his best year because he?s really good and there is more room to score now.  Reading into much about scoring difference last year to this year is something a lot of teams are going to make mistakes over.

How much more amazing is Andersen's performance under that light, eh?

 

[ZBBM]

It's been a hell of a long time since I've recommended a Ken Campbell article to anybody, but this analysis is pretty clear (not original, but clearly stated):

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/sick-of-the-william-nylander-soap-opera-well-you-aint-seen-nothin-yet

Thinking about all this in context of the whole league, we may see Dubas let Nylander sit out the season later today if they can't come together.

 

[TML fan]

That article makes a good case for not signing Nylander.

Edit: as was pointed out above

 

[herman]

My general rule with Ken Campbell is the opposite of whatever he says is usually correct and good.

In this case though...

Until the NHL changes that mindset and as long as phenomenal young talents keep coming into the league, this problem is going to persist. Here?s one school of thought. Take your young stars, burn their entry-level deals as quickly as possible, then spend your money signing them to eight-year deals for huge money that will take them to their late 20s. Then talk to them about bridge deals, not your young stars that are already very good and getting better.

The tricky part is, who are you making those bets on? This is literally what Florida did with Aaron Ekblad.

In our case, I'm pretty confident in Nylander, Marner, Matthews. Heck, throw in Dermott, Kapanen, Johnsson (at lesser hits), Sandin.

 

[ZBBM]

And Ekblad looked just as good until he got concussed. All long term contracts are risky bets.