Contracts for the Big-3

[herman]

Ordinarily not for me but for some reason I can't get my head around Capfriendly or the Cap in general.

Time for a spreadsheet

 

[Bates]

Or an answer from someone dialed in to this subject.

Ordinarily not for me but for some reason I can't get my head around Capfriendly or the Cap in general.

Time for a spreadsheet

 

[herman]

Or an answer from someone dialed in to this subject.

Ordinarily not for me but for some reason I can't get my head around Capfriendly or the Cap in general.

Time for a spreadsheet

The salary cap came into play in 2005, but there's no time like the present to get comfortable with understanding the NHL's reality. The simplified version is simply adding whole numbers and subtracting from the total cap limit (don't forget the carryover residual hits, like Kessel's retained salary, and bonus overages if any). All the numbers you need are either on the team's CapFriendly page, or an estimate you determine for the yet-to-be signed players. CapFriendy's lineup builder is designed for exactly what you're asking.

If you want to make a point or an observation in a discussion forum, doing some of the legwork in pulling the numbers yourself will only help you support your arguments better. The resources at our disposal are fantastic.

 

[Bates]

I didn't want to make a point or an observation, I asked a question. That is what one does when they don't know an answer or how to get one.

Or an answer from someone dialed in to this subject.

Ordinarily not for me but for some reason I can't get my head around Capfriendly or the Cap in general.

Time for a spreadsheet

The salary cap came into play in 2005, but there's no time like the present to get comfortable with understanding the NHL's reality. The simplified version is simply adding whole numbers and subtracting from the total cap limit (don't forget the carryover residual hits, like Kessel's retained salary, and bonus overages if any). All the numbers you need are either on the team's CapFriendly page, or an estimate you determine for the yet-to-be signed players. CapFriendy's lineup builder is designed for exactly what you're asking.

If you want to make a point or an observation in a discussion forum, doing some of the legwork in pulling the numbers yourself will only help you support your arguments better. The resources at our disposal are fantastic.

 

[herman]

I didn't want to make a point or an observation, I asked a question. That is what one does when they don't know an answer or how to get one.

Or an answer from someone dialed in to this subject.

Ordinarily not for me but for some reason I can't get my head around Capfriendly or the Cap in general.

Time for a spreadsheet

The salary cap came into play in 2005, but there's no time like the present to get comfortable with understanding the NHL's reality. The simplified version is simply adding whole numbers and subtracting from the total cap limit (don't forget the carryover residual hits, like Kessel's retained salary, and bonus overages if any). All the numbers you need are either on the team's CapFriendly page, or an estimate you determine for the yet-to-be signed players. CapFriendy's lineup builder is designed for exactly what you're asking.

If you want to make a point or an observation in a discussion forum, doing some of the legwork in pulling the numbers yourself will only help you support your arguments better. The resources at our disposal are fantastic.

 

[Bates]

So using my reading a rough numbers we appear to have about $36 in space for next season and need to sign 13 players. Guessing that Matthews, Nylander, and Marner at somewhere between $28 and $30 million how do we fill out the roster?  I guess bridge deals could help but It's hard to imagine we get better in this situation.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So using my reading a rough numbers we appear to have about $36 in space for next season and need to sign 13 players. Guessing that Matthews, Nylander, and Marner at somewhere between $28 and $30 million how do we fill out the roster?  I guess bridge deals could help but It's hard to imagine we get better in this situation.

I mean the idea that we'd be very top heavy in terms of cap allocation isn't exactly a surprise, we've known that was going to be the case since July 1st.

 

[Bates]

I know, but I asked was it even doable? At $30 million for the 3 that leaves roughly 6 million for 10 players, Isn't that less  than league min?? 

So using my reading a rough numbers we appear to have about $36 in space for next season and need to sign 13 players. Guessing that Matthews, Nylander, and Marner at somewhere between $28 and $30 million how do we fill out the roster?  I guess bridge deals could help but It's hard to imagine we get better in this situation.

I mean the idea that we'd be very top heavy in terms of cap allocation isn't exactly a surprise, we've known that was going to be the case since July 1st.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I know, but I asked was it even doable? At $30 million for the 3 that leaves roughly 6 million for 10 players, Isn't that less  than league min?? 

So using my reading a rough numbers we appear to have about $36 in space for next season and need to sign 13 players. Guessing that Matthews, Nylander, and Marner at somewhere between $28 and $30 million how do we fill out the roster?  I guess bridge deals could help but It's hard to imagine we get better in this situation.

I mean the idea that we'd be very top heavy in terms of cap allocation isn't exactly a surprise, we've known that was going to be the case since July 1st.

My first response literally gave an example of how it could work: http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=5002.msg337220#msg337220

 

[Bates]

I must be missing something as nothing in that post of yours makes my assumption incorrect?  It's why I keep asking how we can sign the 3 long term and not lose any present contracts. Obviously Marleau leaving or Nylander signing a bridge deal could solve it.

I know, but I asked was it even doable? At $30 million for the 3 that leaves roughly 6 million for 10 players, Isn't that less  than league min?? 

So using my reading a rough numbers we appear to have about $36 in space for next season and need to sign 13 players. Guessing that Matthews, Nylander, and Marner at somewhere between $28 and $30 million how do we fill out the roster?  I guess bridge deals could help but It's hard to imagine we get better in this situation.

I mean the idea that we'd be very top heavy in terms of cap allocation isn't exactly a surprise, we've known that was going to be the case since July 1st.

My first response literally gave an example of how it could work: http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=5002.msg337220#msg337220

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I must be missing something as nothing in that post of yours makes my assumption incorrect?  It's why I keep asking how we can sign the 3 long term and not lose any present contracts. Obviously Marleau leaving or Nylander signing a bridge deal could solve it.

Well now you've lost me. You keep saying "how is this doable" and I gave you an example of how it is doable. If you're referring to losing Gardiner... well yeah. He might be a goner. That's just the reality of how the NHL works.

Also, why do you refuse to use the proper formatting for quoting people? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Bates]

I've been asked about formatting before, It's how my tablet does it???
So the two options for next season are 1)lose a present contract or 2) sign at least one of the 3 to a lower bridge deal. Am I correct that these are only ways besides wholesale changes to lineup? 

I must be missing something as nothing in that post of yours makes my assumption incorrect?  It's why I keep asking how we can sign the 3 long term and not lose any present contracts. Obviously Marleau leaving or Nylander signing a bridge deal could solve it.

Well now you've lost me. You keep saying "how is this doable" and I gave you an example of how it is doable. If you're referring to losing Gardiner... well yeah. He might be a goner. That's just the reality of how the NHL works.

Also, why do you refuse to use the proper formatting for quoting people? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I've been asked about formatting before, It's how my tablet does it???

Fair enough, like I said I was just curious. Probably wouldn't take more than a sec to scroll to the bottom but ok.

So the two options for next season are 1)lose a present contract or 2) sign at least one of the 3 to a lower bridge deal. Am I correct that these are only ways besides wholesale changes to lineup?

Well, yeah. What did you expect? We're going from paying Nylander+Marner+Nylander  a combined $7mil-ish a year (including bonuses) to possibly $30mil-ish a year. Cut are going to have to happen somewhere.

 

[dappleganger]

I must be missing something as nothing in that post of yours makes my assumption incorrect?  It's why I keep asking how we can sign the 3 long term and not lose any present contracts. Obviously Marleau leaving or Nylander signing a bridge deal could solve it.

Well now you've lost me. You keep saying "how is this doable" and I gave you an example of how it is doable. If you're referring to losing Gardiner... well yeah. He might be a goner. That's just the reality of how the NHL works.

Also, why do you refuse to use the proper formatting for quoting people? I'm genuinely curious.

I think Gardiner is gone and not just to make cap room for other contracts. I don't think it'd be wise to sign Gardiner long term, even if the Leafs have the cap space.

 

[Bates]

Well my original question was could we sign all 3 and still have mobey to fill out roster? I thought everyone would woukd assume this meant cirrect contracts were included. I guess the easy answer is that we can only if at least one of the 3 takes a lower bridge deal.

I've been asked about formatting before, It's how my tablet does it???

Fair enough, like I said I was just curious. Probably wouldn't take more than a sec to scroll to the bottom but ok.

So the two options for next season are 1)lose a present contract or 2) sign at least one of the 3 to a lower bridge deal. Am I correct that these are only ways besides wholesale changes to lineup?

Well, yeah. What did you expect? We're going from paying Nylander+Marner+Nylander  a combined $7mil-ish a year (including bonuses) to possibly $30mil-ish a year. Cut are going to have to happen somewhere.

 

[Kin]

Well my original question was could we sign all 3 and still have mobey to fill out roster? I thought everyone would woukd assume this meant cirrect contracts were included. I guess the easy answer is that we can only if at least one of the 3 takes a lower bridge deal.

It's effectively an unanswerable question without knowing what the cap will be next year and what everyone else on the roster would sign for next year.

 

[Bates]

No, it is clearly now a no answer.

Well my original question was could we sign all 3 and still have mobey to fill out roster? I thought everyone would woukd assume this meant cirrect contracts were included. I guess the easy answer is that we can only if at least one of the 3 takes a lower bridge deal.

It's effectively an unanswerable question without knowing what the cap will be next year and what everyone else on the roster would sign for next year.

 

[Kin]

No, it is clearly now a no answer.

Again, depending on certain parameters of what people will sign for and what the cap is.

But beyond that, the whole structure of it doesn't make a ton of sense. Why would you be concerned about whether or not the Leafs could bring back all of their current contracts? Like Hainsey? Most people would be glad to see the back of that deal.

 

[Bates]

Hainsey Isn't signed. I simply asked if the Leafs could sign the 3 and still fill out the roster. The simple answer is no,  unless, one of the 3 signs a lower bridge deal or we subtract an already signed player. It's not an ideal situation but we require a move. Now if it gets to July1st and soneone goes all in on an offer sheet for Matthews we are in big trouble for more than just next year..

No, it is clearly now a no answer.

Again, depending on certain parameters of what people will sign for and what the cap is.

But beyond that, the whole structure of it doesn't make a ton of sense. Why would you be concerned about whether or not the Leafs could bring back all of their current contracts? Like Hainsey? Most people would be glad to see the back of that deal.

 

[hap_leaf]

I think a lot of this hinges on how otherworldly Matthews really is.  If you could go back in time and offer 4 first rounders for Gretzky, you would do it.  So I would say to the Leafs, pay him whatever necessary that this doesn't happen.