Contracts for the Big-3

[Bates]

Odd start to year as they are actually playing well but have no scoring presence whatsoever.

Can't say I've ever heard anyone suggest Scottsdale and Phoenix don't have the finer aspects of Big City Life??  Assume you know none of the Coyotes live in Glendale.

With apologies to Herman:

Lol

The way the Yotes started the year I would guess that most of them live in Sun City West.

 

[Bullfrog]

I agree. Bridging Nylander gets them through the worst of it (Marleau, but also Andersen) and gives them the flexibility to extend Gardiner, unless he wants an open-market deal (5.5-6 vs 7).

Only becomes a (potential) problem if Marner and Matthews also want bridges.

I don't agree on the Andersen part. I don't see how they get an equivalent starting goalie for less than $5M.

 

[Kin]

I agree. Bridging Nylander gets them through the worst of it (Marleau, but also Andersen) and gives them the flexibility to extend Gardiner, unless he wants an open-market deal (5.5-6 vs 7).

Only becomes a (potential) problem if Marner and Matthews also want bridges.

I don't agree on the Andersen part. I don't see how they get an equivalent starting goalie for less than $5M.

I don't necessarily disagree but I don't know if we have any strong comparisons to establish what the cost would be for a starting goalie who'd never hit .920 SV% in that role.

 

[Bullfrog]

I should add to my comment: Andersen's deal expires in 2021. Unless they draft or trade for a young goalie (Matt Murray, for example), I think it's very unlikely that a legit, established starter comes in less than $5M.

 

[mr grieves]

Or, conversely, "contending" is going to be about teams ether built on the Pittsburgh model of elite talent but so-so depth or the Nashville model of solid depth but not so much in the way of elite talent.

Don't disagree. I'm just saying this hopefully uncontroversial thing: the longer the Leafs look like the 2007-9 Penguins or the 2013-15 Hawks, the better.

 

[Kin]

Don't disagree. I'm just saying this hopefully uncontroversial thing: the longer the Leafs look like the 2007-9 Penguins or the 2013-15 Hawks, the better.

My only objection is just that I don't think a team can look like those Hawks teams anymore. We're not going to have Keith/Hossa equivalents.

 

[rdowdall]

Matthews to me is the one you need to worry about.  If he goes out and scores 70 goals, and has over 100 points and leads the team in scoring, then he could very well walk in to Dubas's office and say "I want 5 years and I want the max percentage of the cap." and there really isn't a whole lot you can do about it, because I imagine a team like Arizona would be willing to do that. 

I've still never understood why people thought that. Lets leave aside that Matthews has never come across as some sort of Country mouse who would rather be back home in Glendale(the profiles of him definitely present a  guy who likes the finer aspects of big city life) it doesn't really make sense for a team that's probably working with an internal cap like Arizona.

So replace Arizona with New York Rangers.  To a degree I was parroting something that Maguire said on the radio this morning, where he said "If I am Arizona, and Matthews is not signed, I offer him whatever he wants next year as an RFA to come play with us.  Sure the Leafs probably match, but take the chance.  At the very least you throw a wrench in to their plans."

 

[Kin]

So replace Arizona with New York Rangers.  To a degree I was parroting something that Maguire said on the radio this morning, where he said "If I am Arizona, and Matthews is not signed, I offer him whatever he wants next year as an RFA to come play with us.  Sure the Leafs probably match, but take the chance.  At the very least you throw a wrench in to their plans."

Consider the source. There's a reason that despite his efforts Maguire has failed to get a GM job.

Matthews at the Max will be hard to build around for anyone but the Leafs, who'd be the only team who could do it without having to give up 4 first round picks, would be the best situated to do it. I don't think it makes any real sense, financial or competitive, to do that for any team.

 

[sickbeast]

I think this one is going down to the wire. November 30th. The longer the Leafs wait, the more cap space they gain in the future, so it is in their benefit to wait this one out with Nylander. It makes no sense for them to cave now. If anyone caves it will be Nylander, and I'm sure Dubas would love to see that happen.

Things can change, obviously, but with how the team is playing right now, Dubas can and probably should play hardball with Nylander.

 

[cabber24]

Why do they all have to fly to Switzerland to talk?  Dubas could just go to Sweden, or, what makes the most sense, Nylander could just come to TO and if a deal is worked out, boom, he's there.

This isn't the United Freaking Nations where you have to go to some kind of symbolic neutral ground to do a negotiation.  It's a hockey contract.

Dubas is bringing cash that Nylander can stash in Switz bank account... off the books of course.

Apparently, the Leafs had Canadian Tire at the Leafs offer to Stamkos. Are the Leafs allowed to find a sponsorship deal for a player pending on staying in Toronto?

 

[cabber24]

11 pm is Switzerland... and... nothing.

 

[princedpw]

Lol at the neutral site, as if we are negotiating a UN peace treaty.

 

[disco]

Here's Gino Reda with some good insight. This is not about this year. This is about contending for the next decade.
https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/reda-dubas-will-woo-nylander-like-he-did-tavares-1.1193384

 

[herman]

With apologies to Herman:

Lol

Don?t ever apologize for this.

 

[cabber24]

Just playing with numbers here:

Option 1, 2-Year Bridge

2 years @ 4.85M, 8 years @ 8.75M, 5 years @ 11M = 134.7M

Options 2, 6 Years @ 6.75
6 Years @ 6.75, 7 years @ 10M, 2 years @ 11M = 132.5M

Same amount of years, very similar career earnings.

 

[sickbeast]

With apologies to Herman:

Lol

Don?t ever apologize for this.

WTF

 

[Bates]

It's a TML fans gang inside joke apparently??

With apologies to Herman:

Lol

Don?t ever apologize for this.

WTF

 

[mr grieves]

Don't disagree. I'm just saying this hopefully uncontroversial thing: the longer the Leafs look like the 2007-9 Penguins or the 2013-15 Hawks, the better.

My only objection is just that I don't think a team can look like those Hawks teams anymore. We're not going to have Keith/Hossa equivalents.

I meant more in terms of having a mix of elite talent and good depth.

 

[Kin]

Don't disagree. I'm just saying this hopefully uncontroversial thing: the longer the Leafs look like the 2007-9 Penguins or the 2013-15 Hawks, the better.

My only objection is just that I don't think a team can look like those Hawks teams anymore. We're not going to have Keith/Hossa equivalents.

I meant more in terms of having a mix of elite talent and good depth.

Right and I'm saying that a big part of that being possible was having Keith and Hossa signed to contracts you can no longer sign players to.

 

[herman]

Don't disagree. I'm just saying this hopefully uncontroversial thing: the longer the Leafs look like the 2007-9 Penguins or the 2013-15 Hawks, the better.

My only objection is just that I don't think a team can look like those Hawks teams anymore. We're not going to have Keith/Hossa equivalents.

I meant more in terms of having a mix of elite talent and good depth.

Right and I'm saying that a big part of that being possible was having Keith and Hossa signed to contracts you can no longer sign players to.

Kadri and Rielly are only sort of this (in all aspects). We'd be in a heap of depth trouble if we didn't have these two.