Contracts for the Big-3

[sickbeast]

Is Nylander even playing or working out right now?  What is he even doing?  And what are the Leafs going to do with him if/when he comes back?  Put him on the Marlies for a bit to get him up to speed?

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Happened to TBay. At what point does more money matter? Like at the end of your career if you've made $50million does your life really materially change much if you make $60million or $70million? At what point do you go I'm ok with $50million if it means this staff keeps this core together long term and we make a run for it every year.

I mean, if you were negotiating your salary at work, and at the end of your career you could earn 1 million or 1.1 million would you not be looking for that 1.1 million? If you have 30 years of work, that extra $100k would only work out to an extra $3,333 a year. Not a big deal...per year.

I don't think we can fault anyone for trying to get what they think they are worth. It's their decision to not make anything if the company decides not to pay them.

I definitely hear you, and in my own way I truly respect Nylander for trying to stick it to "the Man", but really this is a fruitless fight.  Nylander is only hurting himself and it's going to earn him a ticket out of town.

You think he's sticking it to the man?

How much is he really hurting himself in this case.

I'm going to guess that the only option for Nylander to earn over $5 million dollars a year is to play hockey, and he isn't doing that right now.

Sure. I meant more in the long run though. I don't know how much this really hurts him. I suppose it could go either way.

The only option for me to make what I make is to do what I do.....Doesn't mean I'm going to settle for less than what I'm worth.

But what if your only option is to settle for less than what you think you're worth? What if there's no one willing to pay you more?

Then you sit at home. 

 

[herman]

Matthews and Nylander coming back at the same time to conditioning stints on the Marlins would be hilarious fun.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Happened to TBay. At what point does more money matter? Like at the end of your career if you've made $50million does your life really materially change much if you make $60million or $70million? At what point do you go I'm ok with $50million if it means this staff keeps this core together long term and we make a run for it every year.

I mean, if you were negotiating your salary at work, and at the end of your career you could earn 1 million or 1.1 million would you not be looking for that 1.1 million? If you have 30 years of work, that extra $100k would only work out to an extra $3,333 a year. Not a big deal...per year.

I don't think we can fault anyone for trying to get what they think they are worth. It's their decision to not make anything if the company decides not to pay them.

I definitely hear you, and in my own way I truly respect Nylander for trying to stick it to "the Man", but really this is a fruitless fight.  Nylander is only hurting himself and it's going to earn him a ticket out of town.

You think he's sticking it to the man?

How much is he really hurting himself in this case.

I'm going to guess that the only option for Nylander to earn over $5 million dollars a year is to play hockey, and he isn't doing that right now.

Sure. I meant more in the long run though. I don't know how much this really hurts him. I suppose it could go either way.

The only option for me to make what I make is to do what I do.....Doesn't mean I'm going to settle for less than what I'm worth.

But what if your only option is to settle for less than what you think you're worth? What if there's no one willing to pay you more?

Well than, that's a choice I have to make.

As of now, there's only one team not willing to pay Nylander what he thinks he's worth. There's 29 other businesses that may or may not want to pay him. I wish there was 29 other businesses out there that did what I did so I could have that option.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

I wish there was 29 other businesses out there that did what I did so I could have that option.

I think you'd be in the relative minority of folks (in north america, at least) that don't have that option.

 

[sickbeast]

Happened to TBay. At what point does more money matter? Like at the end of your career if you've made $50million does your life really materially change much if you make $60million or $70million? At what point do you go I'm ok with $50million if it means this staff keeps this core together long term and we make a run for it every year.

I mean, if you were negotiating your salary at work, and at the end of your career you could earn 1 million or 1.1 million would you not be looking for that 1.1 million? If you have 30 years of work, that extra $100k would only work out to an extra $3,333 a year. Not a big deal...per year.

I don't think we can fault anyone for trying to get what they think they are worth. It's their decision to not make anything if the company decides not to pay them.

I definitely hear you, and in my own way I truly respect Nylander for trying to stick it to "the Man", but really this is a fruitless fight.  Nylander is only hurting himself and it's going to earn him a ticket out of town.

You think he's sticking it to the man?

How much is he really hurting himself in this case.

I'm going to guess that the only option for Nylander to earn over $5 million dollars a year is to play hockey, and he isn't doing that right now.

Sure. I meant more in the long run though. I don't know how much this really hurts him. I suppose it could go either way.

The only option for me to make what I make is to do what I do.....Doesn't mean I'm going to settle for less than what I'm worth.

But what if your only option is to settle for less than what you think you're worth? What if there's no one willing to pay you more?

Well than, that's a choice I have to make.

As of now, there's only one team not willing to pay Nylander what he thinks he's worth. There's 29 other businesses that may or may not want to pay him. I wish there was 29 other businesses out there that did what I did so I could have that option.

You guys are comparing the free market to a totalitarian regime.  The Leafs "own" William Nylander until he's 27 years old.  Nylander can do basically whatever he wants.  But at the end of the day he is under team control and he has to accept what they will give him.  Or not play hockey in the NHL.  That's his choice.  I'm not saying Nylander has to like it.  But he should at the very least start to accept the fact that his little protest probably will not turn out the way he wants it to.

I'm going to ask this question:  If the Leafs sign Nylander for say $7 million, would that still leave them with any free cap space to make a trade deadline acquisition for a playoff run?  My curiosity is, would the team perhaps be better off with a rental such as Drew Doughty rather than worrying about Nylander?  I wonder if LA would entertain a Nylander for Doughty trade, and if we would get anything back in the way of prospects and/or salary retained.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Heh, Drew Doughty would be quite the rental being on the first year of a 8 year x11m deal.

I think that short of any new information, this points made in this thread have been hashed, rehashed, and then pretty much beaten to death.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I wish there was 29 other businesses out there that did what I did so I could have that option.

I think you'd be in the relative minority of folks (in north america, at least) that don't have that option.

I work for an explosive supplier as a technician. There's only one true competitor and outside North America, we own them, so......

 

[OldTimeHockey]

You guys are comparing the free market to a totalitarian regime.  The Leafs "own" William Nylander until he's 27 years old.  Nylander can do basically whatever he wants.  But at the end of the day he is under team control and he has to accept what they will give him.  Or not play hockey in the NHL.  That's his choice.  I'm not saying Nylander has to like it.  But he should at the very least start to accept the fact that his little protest probably will not turn out the way he wants it to.

I'm going to ask this question:  If the Leafs sign Nylander for say $7 million, would that still leave them with any free cap space to make a trade deadline acquisition for a playoff run?  My curiosity is, would the team perhaps be better off with a rental such as Drew Doughty rather than worrying about Nylander?  I wonder if LA would entertain a Nylander for Doughty trade, and if we would get anything back in the way of prospects and/or salary retained.

Sure, the leafs "own" the rights to Nylander but are the Leafs willing to let that asset they own sit and not make them any more money? It's not exactly cut and dry and it isn't only Nylander that is hurt by him sitting on the sidelines.

As for Doughty, he's not much of a rental. Karlsson on the other hand.

 

[sickbeast]

You guys are comparing the free market to a totalitarian regime.  The Leafs "own" William Nylander until he's 27 years old.  Nylander can do basically whatever he wants.  But at the end of the day he is under team control and he has to accept what they will give him.  Or not play hockey in the NHL.  That's his choice.  I'm not saying Nylander has to like it.  But he should at the very least start to accept the fact that his little protest probably will not turn out the way he wants it to.

I'm going to ask this question:  If the Leafs sign Nylander for say $7 million, would that still leave them with any free cap space to make a trade deadline acquisition for a playoff run?  My curiosity is, would the team perhaps be better off with a rental such as Drew Doughty rather than worrying about Nylander?  I wonder if LA would entertain a Nylander for Doughty trade, and if we would get anything back in the way of prospects and/or salary retained.

Sure, the leafs "own" the rights to Nylander but are the Leafs willing to let that asset they own sit and not make them any more money? It's not exactly cut and dry and it isn't only Nylander that is hurt by him sitting on the sidelines.

As for Doughty, he's not much of a rental. Karlsson on the other hand.

Isn't Erik Karlsson having a bad season by his standards?  That could turn out to be an interesting trade.  But really would San Jose really trade him so quickly after recently acquiring him?

There seems to be a very strong culture in Toronto and that could be just what Erik Karlsson needs.  That trade prospect is interesting actually.  I think I would strongly consider it if I were Dubas.  Multiple years of Nylander for one year of Karlsson, though.  San Jose would have to sweeten the pot, big time.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

I work for an explosive supplier as a technician.

Remind me not to piss you off.

Besides, I think you've got lots of other career potential, including in the NHL. For example, when you hear about teams blowing it all up and starting over, you can be a big help there.

 

[Highlander]

;D

 

[sickbeast]

I work for an explosive supplier as a technician.

Remind me not to piss you off.

Besides, I think you've got lots of other career potential, including in the NHL. For example, when you hear about teams blowing it all up and starting over, you can be a big help there.

That sounds like dangerous work, actually.

 

[ZBBM]

I wish there was 29 other businesses out there that did what I did so I could have that option.

I think you'd be in the relative minority of folks (in north america, at least) that don't have that option.

I work for an explosive supplier as a technician. There's only one true competitor and outside North America, we own them, so......

Heh as Frycer said this is the raw material of comedy legend.  I'll kick it off.

I assume you have Melnyk's personal cell? *rimshot*

 

[Guilt Trip]

Isn't Erik Karlsson having a bad season by his standards?  That could turn out to be an interesting trade.  But really would San Jose really trade him so quickly after recently acquiring him?

There seems to be a very strong culture in Toronto and that could be just what Erik Karlsson needs.  That trade prospect is interesting actually.  I think I would strongly consider it if I were Dubas.  Multiple years of Nylander for one year of Karlsson, though.  San Jose would have to sweeten the pot, big time.

San Jose would have to give up an additional 1st rounder if Karlsson is traded back to the east in the 18/19 season, so not happening unless the team from the east is giving up multiple 1sts to SJ.

 

[bustaheims]

Isn't Erik Karlsson having a bad season by his standards?  That could turn out to be an interesting trade.  But really would San Jose really trade him so quickly after recently acquiring him?

There seems to be a very strong culture in Toronto and that could be just what Erik Karlsson needs.  That trade prospect is interesting actually.  I think I would strongly consider it if I were Dubas.  Multiple years of Nylander for one year of Karlsson, though.  San Jose would have to sweeten the pot, big time.

San Jose would have to give up an additional 1st rounder if Karlsson is traded back to the east in the 18/19 season, so not happening unless the team from the east is giving up multiple 1sts to SJ.

Also, Nylander being moved in a deal where they key piece the Leafs get in return is a rental is ridiculous. It?s not going to happen.

 

[sickbeast]

Isn't Erik Karlsson having a bad season by his standards?  That could turn out to be an interesting trade.  But really would San Jose really trade him so quickly after recently acquiring him?

There seems to be a very strong culture in Toronto and that could be just what Erik Karlsson needs.  That trade prospect is interesting actually.  I think I would strongly consider it if I were Dubas.  Multiple years of Nylander for one year of Karlsson, though.  San Jose would have to sweeten the pot, big time.

San Jose would have to give up an additional 1st rounder if Karlsson is traded back to the east in the 18/19 season, so not happening unless the team from the east is giving up multiple 1sts to SJ.

Also, Nylander being moved in a deal where they key piece the Leafs get in return is a rental is ridiculous. It?s not going to happen.

I don't think there will be a trade.  I think Nylander will either sign with the Leafs, or he will sit.  I have a feeling Dubas will take the trade option completely off the table.  I would be shocked if anyone offered anything meaningful for Nylander while also paying him top dollar.  It's giving up assets for the "privilege" of overpaying for Nylander.  It makes no sense.  Zero.  Dubas has exactly zero chance of getting even half of Nylander's value back in terms of a trade.  He seems smart.  I would be shocked if he did something so stupid.

 

[iwas11in67]

I heard somewhere that the Leafs can still trade Nylander up to the trade deadline. BUT the other team can't play him until next season. Is that correct? And if so would a team out of the playoffs(I'm assuming only a team out of the playoffs would be interested in giving up assets) be willing to do it?

 

[Highlander]

I heard somewhere that the Leafs can still trade Nylander up to the trade deadline. BUT the other team can't play him until next season. Is that correct? And if so would a team out of the playoffs(I'm assuming only a team out of the playoffs would be interested in giving up assets) be willing to do it?

I think I read that they can trade him up to Feb. 15 if they can't sign him. However I believe that he would not be available to that team until the following year (I may be wrong).  If they do trade him then then hopefully they would get an important piece for their playoff run.
I believe we will reach a 1-3 year contract in the very near future. I don't believe Shanahan or Dubas will trade him if he doesn't sign, but let him sit or play in the KHL.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I heard somewhere that the Leafs can still trade Nylander up to the trade deadline. BUT the other team can't play him until next season. Is that correct? And if so would a team out of the playoffs(I'm assuming only a team out of the playoffs would be interested in giving up assets) be willing to do it?

That is true. A team looking to tank maybe one that is willing to do this. I don't see this happening unless Nylander asked for a trade. I think if he sits out the year he's done as a Leaf.