Coronavirus
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OldTimeHockey
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The world is severely broken.
The world is severely broken.
bustaheims
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Invading a sovereign nation, putting thousands of innocent lives at risk? Nothing to see here.
Addressing a domestic issue in an imperfect fashion? Send in the troops!
Addressing a domestic issue in an imperfect fashion? Send in the troops!
Police response to a single shoplifter vs. police response to an illegal occupation
herman said:
I'm honestly a bit torn on mask mandates at this point in the game. Their application is very uneven. Sure, it's easy to use them in a retail setting, but it's just odd now in the sense that I don't have to wear one at my desk at work, but I do if I walk around work which is at probably 20% capacity but can go to a bar or restaurant with full capacity, no vaccine checks and be unmasked at my seat. Going to a nightclub also have basically non-existent enforcement. Even when you're supposed to the enforcement just isn't there, as anyone going to Leafs games can attest. And at this point uneven application is just confusing and annoying people and I'm starting to hear more and more reasonable people think "Well, if everything is haphazard and random, and we're all gonna get it anyway, and this wave is receding then what's the point?"
If the government isn't willing to do a better job of standardizing the mandate (which they obviously aren't going to do) I can see why people are ok with people using their own discretion going forward, rightly or wrongly.
Guilt Trip
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I'm good with keeping masks for hospitals, docs offices, grocery stores but as far as "going out" I have no issue with no masks. We're all smart enough to make a decision if we want to go to a place with no masks or not.
Kin
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So I appreciate that when it comes to Covid restrictions it's a delicate balance. You need to balance what restrictions do to people and the economy and what the spread of the virus does to people and to our health care system. I appreciate that. I know the pandemic has been difficult on everyone and everyone wants a return to some manner of normalcy. That said, I'd ask everyone to ask themselves two questions right now as they see a lot of governments loosening restrictions these days:
1. When you look at the society you live in, do you think the way the government values human life and the quality of it vs. the importance they put on the churning of the capitalist system reflects your own sense of which of those things is more important?
2. Has your particular government shown good judgment when it comes to when it was smart to impose Covid restrictions in the past and when to lift them?
1. When you look at the society you live in, do you think the way the government values human life and the quality of it vs. the importance they put on the churning of the capitalist system reflects your own sense of which of those things is more important?
2. Has your particular government shown good judgment when it comes to when it was smart to impose Covid restrictions in the past and when to lift them?
Peter D.
Moderator
Guilt Trip said:
At this point in the game, I think it should all depend on one's comfort level. Leave it up to the individual. You want to wear one, do so. You don't want to, don't.
For sure there will still be many parents telling their kids to wear their masks in school. And I know several triple vaccinated people still so anal about the virus they are so damn regimented with the cautiousness in every respect, including wearing a mask outdoors. Similarly, we all know unvaccinated individuals who don't give a crap.
None of the rules make sense anymore. Haven't in a while. But I'm glad that will all soon be gone and people can make their own choices while we start transitioning to the "new normal", whatever the heck that may be.
bustaheims
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I suspect we'll see a number of businesses still enforcing mandatory masks and proof of vaccination. It'll just be added to their "no shirt, no shoes, no service" type policies. Some have already indicated that's their plan.
herman
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I'm all for making it a personal choice when the individual is really the only person affected (see seatbelts for a similar safety measure that is somewhat hard to enforce), but in this case, with a communicable respiratory disease that still has long-term debilitating effects on many people even when the initial symptoms are very mild or none at all, our personal choice to operate normally is going to adversely affect others, unknowingly because our governments have also abandoned all contact tracing measures, especially without the cursory vaccine check-in.
This is just inviting the next variant to materialize and push us into another vaccination dose + lockdown, except with more fatigue and completely wiped healthcare systems. Returning to 'normal' means forcing the elderly, families with infants, immunocompromised people to continue choose between isolation or risk whatever COVID thrashes them with. A lot of people are assuming endemicity, but the virus is neither mild enough, nor localized enough to really qualify.
This is just inviting the next variant to materialize and push us into another vaccination dose + lockdown, except with more fatigue and completely wiped healthcare systems. Returning to 'normal' means forcing the elderly, families with infants, immunocompromised people to continue choose between isolation or risk whatever COVID thrashes them with. A lot of people are assuming endemicity, but the virus is neither mild enough, nor localized enough to really qualify.