Dave Nonis is a bust

[GhostofPotvin29]

The Phanuef extension will set this franchise back as well.  Clarkson and Phanuef are both pretty bad players, and they locked up for 6 and 7 years to come.

Nonis has done a pretty awful job overall.  His insisntence on keeping Carlyle coach is also a detriment.  Carlyle has to go.  Unfortunately a root cause of awfulness for this team with be Phanuef, because he will get lots of minutes for years to come and he is the one of the worst defenders in hockey.  Absolutely no IQ for hockey.

Phaneuf is not a "pretty bad player."  That's just ridiculous.

 

[TML fan]

The Clarkson deal was a huge flop even if Clarkson matched his career high in point this season. It was always going to be a bad contract. Other than that, he's done an ok job. I would throw not firing Carlyle in the bad column but I admit it wasn't realistic to expect that.

 

[bustaheims]

I would throw not firing Carlyle in the bad column but I admit it wasn't realistic to expect that.

Yeah. Nonis is fairly well known for not liking to make that kind of move mid-season, but, I imagine, when things were going really poorly in November/December, he set some sort of thresholds for whether or not he'll make that move after the season. Barring an immediate turnaround and a spectacular playoff run, I'd find it hard to believe he won't relieve Carlyle of his duties this summer.

 

[Strangelove]

The Phanuef extension will set this franchise back as well.  Clarkson and Phanuef are both pretty bad players, and they locked up for 6 and 7 years to come.

Nonis has done a pretty awful job overall.  His insisntence on keeping Carlyle coach is also a detriment.  Carlyle has to go.  Unfortunately a root cause of awfulness for this team with be Phanuef, because he will get lots of minutes for years to come and he is the one of the worst defenders in hockey.  Absolutely no IQ for hockey.

Phaneuf is not a "pretty bad player."  That's just ridiculous.

Maybe not but he's overpaid for what he brings. Both his skating and defensive game are suspect, and his offensive numbers, I think, are a bit misleading insofar he's been afforded every possible opportunity to score regardless of whether he's actually playing well (first line PP, high ice time, etc.). When it comes down to it, he's a bit of a loafing player who handles the puck like a hand grenade, takes a lot of minor penalties, and makes too many bad decisions. He's a nice secondary piece but shouldn't be paid like a number one defenceman.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The Phanuef extension will set this franchise back as well.  Clarkson and Phanuef are both pretty bad players, and they locked up for 6 and 7 years to come.

Nonis has done a pretty awful job overall.  His insisntence on keeping Carlyle coach is also a detriment.  Carlyle has to go.  Unfortunately a root cause of awfulness for this team with be Phanuef, because he will get lots of minutes for years to come and he is the one of the worst defenders in hockey.  Absolutely no IQ for hockey.

Phaneuf is not a "pretty bad player."  That's just ridiculous.

Maybe not but he's overpaid for what he brings. Both his skating and defensive game are suspect, and his offensive numbers, I think, are a bit misleading insofar he's been afforded every possible opportunity to score regardless of whether he's actually playing well (first line PP, high ice time, etc.).

With some of the worst zone starts and toughest competition in the league.  These aren't easy minutes to put up offensive points in.  How are his offensive numbers misleading?  You could say the same thing about Kessel then, or any good player - their numbers are misleading because they get more ice time and PP time.

Whether he's overpaid is subjective, but he's not a "pretty bad player" as I was originally replying to.

 

[Strangelove]

The Phanuef extension will set this franchise back as well.  Clarkson and Phanuef are both pretty bad players, and they locked up for 6 and 7 years to come.

Nonis has done a pretty awful job overall.  His insisntence on keeping Carlyle coach is also a detriment.  Carlyle has to go.  Unfortunately a root cause of awfulness for this team with be Phanuef, because he will get lots of minutes for years to come and he is the one of the worst defenders in hockey.  Absolutely no IQ for hockey.

Phaneuf is not a "pretty bad player."  That's just ridiculous.

Maybe not but he's overpaid for what he brings. Both his skating and defensive game are suspect, and his offensive numbers, I think, are a bit misleading insofar he's been afforded every possible opportunity to score regardless of whether he's actually playing well (first line PP, high ice time, etc.).

With some of the worst zone starts and toughest competition in the league.  These aren't easy minutes to put up offensive points in.  How are his offensive numbers misleading?  You could say the same thing about Kessel then, or any good player - their numbers are misleading because they get more ice time and PP time.

Whether he's overpaid is subjective, but he's not a "pretty bad player" as I was originally replying to.

Misleading in the sense that other players (namely Gardiner) would perform as well or better offensively given the same opportunity (i.e. his offence is replaceable and not hugely valuable in itself). I know that he plays against good opponents, but his ability to control the play and keep the Leafs in the offensive end against those opponents is just not very good.

 

[hockeyfan1]

I have a question, gentlemen.  If the Maple Leafs miss the playoffs this year, would you then say Nonis is a bust, or, does he get fired?

As of right now, the good ship Maple Leaf is in turbulent waters.  Let's hope they can further weather the storm.

 

[Tigger]

He has done great damage to the franchise even though he has done very little. Signing Clarkson and buying out grabovski is bad enough on its own. Then you can add in letting MacArthur go and the bernier trade. The only deal I like is the trade for Peter Holland. The bernier deal is ok, but scrivens may be better.

Gleason was ok, Raymond is good value for a year, signing Kessel put a lot of the bad potential to the Burke trade to bed and Bozak has turned out fairly well too so far. Bolland's injury was a freak and I think it'll be a shame if the lowered Loonie removes him from the Leafs roster. Bernier was a pretty ok deal and I'd try to keep him and Reimer next year if I could, the Leafs totally need them.

The worst you can say is that Clarkson is costing around 2.25 mil too much. The General may have been a better option, granted ( though who knows, maybe there's a 'Raymond' that everyone loves next year ), and I hated the Grabbo buyout too ( Bolland not having a freak injury may have helped there ) but I think on balance the team/cap is better overall or at least for now for a team in transition.

Oh yeah, Holland.

 

[Bullfrog]

I have a question, gentlemen.  If the Maple Leafs miss the playoffs this year, would you then say Nonis is a bust, or, does he get fired?

As of right now, the good ship Maple Leaf is in turbulent waters.  Let's hope they can further weather the storm.

I think Nonis is OK, but it'll give him the green light to fire Carlyle. Whether or not that will make a difference is obviously debatable given the amount of discussion on this board.

 

[Redleaf]

I would throw not firing Carlyle in the bad column but I admit it wasn't realistic to expect that.

Yeah. Nonis is fairly well known for not liking to make that kind of move mid-season, but, I imagine, when things were going really poorly in November/December, he set some sort of thresholds for whether or not he'll make that move after the season. Barring an immediate turnaround and a spectacular playoff run, I'd find it hard to believe he won't relieve Carlyle of his duties this summer.

Barring a playoff berth, I'd have to agree.

 

[Stickytape]

I have a question, gentlemen.  If the Maple Leafs miss the playoffs this year, would you then say Nonis is a bust, or, does he get fired?

As of right now, the good ship Maple Leaf is in turbulent waters.  Let's hope they can further weather the storm.

Some of Nonis' decisions have made my list of "things that went super duper wrong this year", but I wouldn't put Nonis himself on the list.  Besides, the big items are: Carlyle, the injuries down the middle, and this team's overall persistent inability to play 60 consecutive minutes of NHL-level hockey are near the top.  If Nonis wants to be the one to screw up this team, he has some stiff competition.

Obviously there's Clarkson, and I'm not even going say anything else about that.  And the Grabovski buyout and letting MacArthur walk made me cringe.  I get that you have to invest in your coach, but that doesn't mean you have to squander resources.  I don't really know where Grabbo fits with Bolland on the team, but ugh.

Phaneuf has been meh since his signing, but he was off to a really good start this season.  I have a hunch that he's nursing some sort of injury, but I can't back that up.  I'm not really sure what to think of the 7x7 yet, but I was satisfied at the time.

But the Kessel, Bozak, Kadri, and Franson contracts have been par or better.  Bernier turned out better than I'd hoped, Bolland had a great start (and fingers crossed he'll get back to form eventually), and Holland and Gleason have each impressed me, too.  That little thing he did with sending Holland down to the Marlies when Carlyle wasn't using him also made me grin.  Maybe Nonis has some stones after all.  And I can't really say that I miss Colborne or Frasier.

I'll have to see what he does this summer before I can get a feel for a pattern.  My expectations are that Reimer and Franson get moved, that he prioritize shoring up the blue line, and dumps Carlyle and rolls the dice with someone new.

 

[bustaheims]

I would throw not firing Carlyle in the bad column but I admit it wasn't realistic to expect that.

Yeah. Nonis is fairly well known for not liking to make that kind of move mid-season, but, I imagine, when things were going really poorly in November/December, he set some sort of thresholds for whether or not he'll make that move after the season. Barring an immediate turnaround and a spectacular playoff run, I'd find it hard to believe he won't relieve Carlyle of his duties this summer.

Barring a playoff berth, I'd have to agree.

I honestly don't believe scratching their way into a playoff spot they way it looks like they're going to have to will be enough to save Carlyle's job. They'll actually have to make some noise in the playoffs to do that.

 

[Redleaf]

I would throw not firing Carlyle in the bad column but I admit it wasn't realistic to expect that.

Yeah. Nonis is fairly well known for not liking to make that kind of move mid-season, but, I imagine, when things were going really poorly in November/December, he set some sort of thresholds for whether or not he'll make that move after the season. Barring an immediate turnaround and a spectacular playoff run, I'd find it hard to believe he won't relieve Carlyle of his duties this summer.

Barring a playoff berth, I'd have to agree.

I honestly don't believe scratching their way into a playoff spot they way it looks like they're going to have to will be enough to save Carlyle's job. They'll actually have to make some noise in the playoffs to do that.

If Bernier returns soon, I really don't think that is out of the question. My biggest concern right now is whether or not Bernier will return in time.

 

[bustaheims]

If Bernier returns soon, I really don't think that is out of the question. My biggest concern right now is whether or not Bernier will return in time.

At this point, their most likely 1st round opponent is Boston, and, with the way the Bruins are playing, I don't see anyone taking them down in the 1st round.

 

[Redleaf]

If Bernier returns soon, I really don't think that is out of the question. My biggest concern right now is whether or not Bernier will return in time.

At this point, their most likely 1st round opponent is Boston, and, with the way the Bruins are playing, I don't see anyone taking them down in the 1st round.

At this point...right. But as we've been witness to the past few weeks, a lot can change in a short period of time with this club.

If Bernier returns soon, I'm banking on a bit of a run up the standings. Hopefully it's enough to secure a berth, and a first round opponent not named the Boston Bruins.

 

[Zee]

If Bernier returns soon, I really don't think that is out of the question. My biggest concern right now is whether or not Bernier will return in time.

At this point, their most likely 1st round opponent is Boston, and, with the way the Bruins are playing, I don't see anyone taking them down in the 1st round.

At this point...right. But as we've been witness to the past few weeks, a lot can change in a short period of time with this club.

If Bernier returns soon, I'm banking on a bit of a run up the standings. Hopefully it's enough to secure a berth, and a first round opponent not named the Boston Bruins.

Missed the game last night (thankful for that. Work function with the wife)  Leafs need a win today for any chance. This streak goes to 5 and the players confidence won't return. Squeezing the sticks and all that. Bernier hasn't played in a while either and coupled with his injury might take a few games to find his groove, those are games they can't afford to let him find his way. Can't believe it has gotten to this point.

 

[Champ Kind]

Fair enough. The Clarkson thing is so bad that I forgot about all of that. Clarkson is going to haunt the leafs like an albatross for a generation.

Sorry, couldn't help it:

Albatrosses, of the biological family Diomedeidae, are large seabirds allied to the procellariids, storm petrels and diving petrels in the order Procellariiformes (the tubenoses). They range widely in the Southern Ocean and the North Pacific. They are absent from the North Atlantic, although fossil remains show they once occurred there too and occasional vagrants are found. Albatrosses are among the largest of flying birds, and the great albatrosses (genus Diomedea) have the largest wingspans of any extant birds, reaching up to 12 feet (3.7 m). The albatrosses are usually regarded as falling into four genera, but there is disagreement over the number of species.

 

[Rebel_1812]

The Phanuef extension will set this franchise back as well.  Clarkson and Phanuef are both pretty bad players, and they locked up for 6 and 7 years to come.

Nonis has done a pretty awful job overall.  His insisntence on keeping Carlyle coach is also a detriment.  Carlyle has to go.  Unfortunately a root cause of awfulness for this team with be Phanuef, because he will get lots of minutes for years to come and he is the one of the worst defenders in hockey.  Absolutely no IQ for hockey.

well if you have a bad defencemen better play him alot.  I guess thats why he gets so much icetime.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I don't think Phaneuf is as bad or as good as some people say.

I personally think his contract is nuts but that's just me.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I don't think Phaneuf is as bad or as good as some people say.

I personally think his contract is nuts but that's just me.

This is basically a good summation of him: http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2014/03/17/answering-the-question-what-is-dion-phaneuf-great-awful-something-else/