So, normal people then.
Don Cherry fired by Sportsnet
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OldTimeHockey
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herman said:
This
Highlander
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It was quite clear that when Epstein went into prison, that Sportsnet had an agenda to kill him. Everyone with gray hair over 60 is a target....beware Sportsnet knows where you live!!!Zee said:
Apparently, Sportsnet killed Epstein?
Highlander
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Man, I told then not to publish this photo of me..dammit, my cover is broken. I was not even in my Kilt at the time. Up your Sporan!Zee said:
Part of the protesting "throng" of people.
OldTimeHockey
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Zee said:
People act shocked that he said "You People" this past Saturday.
herman
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https://twitter.com/ian_mendes/status/1195340644031614976
Ian Mendes is the real national treasure.
Edit: finally found the article I was looking for. I stumbled upon this earlier this year.
https://www.tsn.ca/how-a-simple-conversation-with-my-co-host-changed-our-relationship-1.657122
Ian Mendes is the real national treasure.
Edit: finally found the article I was looking for. I stumbled upon this earlier this year.
https://www.tsn.ca/how-a-simple-conversation-with-my-co-host-changed-our-relationship-1.657122
OldTimeHockey
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This may of been already mentioned in the thread, but I'm lazy.
The fact that Sportsnet allowed this to apparently air 3 times without saying boo should be questioned. While I don't think it was the worst thing that Cherry has ever said, it's still not appropriate.
The fact that Sportsnet allowed this to apparently air 3 times without saying boo should be questioned. While I don't think it was the worst thing that Cherry has ever said, it's still not appropriate.
Kin
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CarltonTheBear said:
It's funny but with a few days of reflection on this, and seeing it covered in the various medias, this whole thing just feels like a big missed opportunity to have a meaningful conversation about what really happened because so much of it was tied up in trying to shut up the Rebel Media Chuds and their bad faith bull crap.
Because it feels like the narrative that's being presented in the international media is that for about 40 years, Canadians have listened to some right wing nutjob yell his poorly informed racist nonsense at us in the intermissions of HNIC and that feels like such an oversimplification of things. Cherry was that at times, sure, and as Deebo said over the last decade it hasn't really been balanced out by enough worthwhile hockey talk to make the show much more than that but for the first 15-20 years of my life as a hockey fan Coach's Corner was something that was important for lack of a better term. It did deal with issues of nationality and national identity in a country where that's very much a worthwhile subject, especially when so many Canadians see hockey as an integral part of that identity.
Now, obviously, I'm very much on the side of Cherry deserving to be fired and while I maybe once had some time for "We're better than the Russians, on and off the ice" stuff I think that's almost entirely played out and contributes nothing to the national discourse. That said, despite my earlier suggestion about what should replace Cherry on HNIC, I feel like something substantial would be lost if it was replaced by some "Stick to Sports" edict where coaches talk about the best way to defend a penalty kill in overtime or the like and any sort of deeper conversation about the game is lost.
Because as much as we may like to focus on Cherry, the truth is that so much of what we tend to see on HNIC or hockey broadcasts in general reinforced a lot of what Cherry said. How many ads are about hockey being an integral part of the national fabric? Or just the general sort of mythologizing about small town Canada and their "values"?
Firing Cherry but keeping the rest of that stuff, to me, seems like an incomplete step. The thing about Coach's Corner that used to make it feel vital was that it was about the argument as much as just Cherry's views. I've talked about this before but at some point along the way McLean stopped arguing with Cherry and it just became crazy old man yells at kids. But that clash mattered. That sort of hammering out the important questions within the game and hockey-adjacent should come back in some form.
Obviously it needs to carry on without Cherry's particular schtick but I think the show, and hockey in general, will be poorer off if there isn't a big stage for important and real conversation about the game that goes beyond tactics and strategy.
Frank, do you actually not think that first statement of yours is true? I genuinely think it's fair to say the vast majority of people who are in support of Cherry right now are also conservatives. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Kin
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Frank E said:
Well, to clear it up for you it probably has something to do with the fact that those people seem very eager to attribute a decision made by a gigantic corporate entity and almost certainly being made with profitability in mind to "Liberalism" and frame it specifically within the left-right culture war.
Personally, I haven't really talked much about Cherry within the context of conservatism and, in fact, I specifically made the point that the sort of totalitarian response to Cherry's firing doesn't strike me as conservative in a traditional sense.
And yet, person after person in this thread has wanted to attribute his firing to "Liberals" or "Political Correctness". Why those people want to tell on themselves and modern movement Conservatism in that way is anyone's guess.
Frank E
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CarltonTheBear said:
I think it's very silly to make assumptions about it, and in this case I think it's prejudicial given the message there is "disagree with punishment=conservative leaning=bad person."
And to be clear, I think it's very stupid and dangerous to label conservative leaning folks as racists.
Frank E said:
Like Nik sorta said though, it's not making assumptions when a lot of people complaining about Cherry being fired are literally blaming Liberals for it. And from my personal experiences everyone who I know, both in real life and online, are commenting on this based on what I understand their political beliefs are. I also think the whole Tucker Carlson thing sorta put to bed the idea that this isn't an issue being drawn on political lines.