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Game 29: Jets @ Leafs, 7:00pm - CBC

LittleHockeyFan said:
Unless someone else takes over the job today :-)
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Sure I'll even post a few
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I'm getting tired of Carlyle's lines. On one hand Grabbo and Kuli haven't worked out but they've had great chemistry with Mac in the past.

Mac has had great chemistry with Kadri this year. Kadri has had great chemistry with Frattin in his 12 games (or so).

Naturally Carlyle makes the lines:

Mac - Grabbo - Frattin
Lupul - Kadri - Kuli

Go figure!

Edit: Also, it's driving me nuts that Holzer continues to be in the lineup. He continues to "pinch" at his own blueline, often making the hit on a forward, allowing 2 on 1's against Phaneuf. Can we see a different D combination (Liles, Komi, Gardiner, Kostka). The guy's waiver exempt right? I 'm not seeing what's so great about his game. He's a worse version of Fraser IMO.
 
Potvin29 said:
Strangelove said:
leafplasma said:
moon111 said:
McArthur- Grabo - Frattin  - One could easily argue they're all 3rd in their positions depth chart.  Still get called the 2nd line though.
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You slot Grabs below Bozak in the depth chart.  Randy rubbing off on you?
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Hard to argue the point this season. Grabo has been pretty bad apart from a handful of games.  And I say in full knowledge of the fact that Bozo has been pretty bad as well.
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But he hasn't been, unless we're only taking into consideration purely offensive output and ignoring his usage.  He's started 34% of his shifts in the offensive zone, only McClement and Kulemin have started less.  I don't get why it's still so hard to put 2 + 2 together re: Grabovski - he's getting the 7th most PP/time a game among forwards, and when used at even strength he's getting the toughest matchups and starting the overwhelming majority of his shifts in the Leafs end (aka it's harder to score when you start only 35% of your shifts in the offensive zone; Kadri? 50%).  Despite that his Corsi is 2nd on the team when quality of competition is taken into account - meaning despite the toughest minutes, his line is actually driving possession and getting chances.

He's not having a bad year, Carlyle is just deploying him in a way that is making his points totals suffer.
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Would it be a crime to at least throw Grabs a bone and give him some PP time.  If you must use Grabs as a shutdown guy so be it but he is also without a question of a doubt a top 4 offensive talent on this club so using him on the PP isn't going to affect his value as a defensive shutdown guy.  The fact that Grabs is a two way talent is further testament to the fact that he is worth his salary.  The Grabs bashing has really got to stop, we should be happy the guy isn't complaining about this role and start giving him some props.
 
Potvin29 said:
Strangelove said:
leafplasma said:
moon111 said:
McArthur- Grabo - Frattin  - One could easily argue they're all 3rd in their positions depth chart.  Still get called the 2nd line though.
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You slot Grabs below Bozak in the depth chart.  Randy rubbing off on you?
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Hard to argue the point this season. Grabo has been pretty bad apart from a handful of games.  And I say in full knowledge of the fact that Bozo has been pretty bad as well.
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But he hasn't been, unless we're only taking into consideration purely offensive output and ignoring his usage.  He's started 34% of his shifts in the offensive zone, only McClement and Kulemin have started less.  I don't get why it's still so hard to put 2 + 2 together re: Grabovski - he's getting the 7th most PP/time a game among forwards, and when used at even strength he's getting the toughest matchups and starting the overwhelming majority of his shifts in the Leafs end (aka it's harder to score when you start only 35% of your shifts in the offensive zone; Kadri? 50%).  Despite that his Corsi is 2nd on the team when quality of competition is taken into account - meaning despite the toughest minutes, his line is actually driving possession and getting chances.

He's not having a bad year, Carlyle is just deploying him in a way that is making his points totals suffer.
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A guy in Grabo's position putting up the kind of production he's providing is not having a good season. I understand the role he's been put in.  That's great.  But the fact that he's been slotted into this role does not mean he should get a total free pass in respect of his offensive production, particularly at his price point; it is not his "role" to get scored on far more often than he and his linemates score themselves.  Again, I've said it before, but when it is necessary to bring in an obscure statistical metric (QOC) to suggest what otherwise appears not to be the case (i.e. that he's having a good season), then I have trouble with the argument. Even at the defensive end, his line is running around in panic mode more often than not and giving the puck away far too often, with plenty of goals against as a result.  Sure he's playing against good players, but I can't see the basis for the idea that he's doing a very good job at it.

Anyhow, we'll see how he does with more offensively-minded linemates tonight.
 
This looks like the best Leafs line up that has been iced for quite a while. Once Lupul and Frattin get back into the groove the wins should come.
 
caveman said:
This looks like the best Leafs line up that has been iced for quite a while. Once Lupul and Frattin get back into the groove the wins should come.
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Now that they are fully healthy I sure hope so!
 
Strangelove said:
leafplasma said:
moon111 said:
McArthur- Grabo - Frattin  - One could easily argue they're all 3rd in their positions depth chart.  Still get called the 2nd line though.
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You slot Grabs below Bozak in the depth chart.  Randy rubbing off on you?
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Hard to argue the point this season. Grabo has been pretty bad apart from a handful of games.  And I say in full knowledge of the fact that Bozo has been pretty bad as well.
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Agreed, grabo's play makes his contract look like an albatross.
 
CBC makes me want to puke when then ask polls like that " Is it time to push the panic botton in toronto? "

What a bunch of media whore-mongering.
Whatever floats their boat tho.

Time for a good game and it's the first time all year that we've looked this damn good when you look down the roster.

GO LEAFS GO!!!
 
God our Father,
You have created us
to strive for the best.
Grant to all athletes, coaches, and fans,
strength to pursue excellence
during this event.
We pray for the safety of these athletes;
Protect them from injury and harm.
And finally, we pray for your grace,
that you would provide us
with the endurance to pursue our heavenly prize:
The Stanley cup. Amen .......Crush em boys!!
 
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