Game 40: Leafs @ Rangers - Apr. 10, 7:00PM - TSN, TSN 1050

[GhostofPotvin29]

I really just wanted to post that article, because Ken Campbell from the Hockey News went on and on last night about how the shootout is NOT a coin flip, it's a skill - but that analysis literally says it's a coin flip.

 

[Bullfrog]

When it comes to  shootouts, really I doubt there's a tremendous amount of difference in skill between most of the players. That's why I don't mind seeing defensemen take shootout attempts. At the NHL level, just about any player will be able to take a shootout attempt at a high skill level.

 

[Stickytape]

I'm not terribly concerned about how they do in shootouts; I'd rather the team continue to focus on the sort of skills that helps them turn what would otherwise be a loss into an OT point, or turn a tie into an outright win.  Regulation play is what matters the most, by far.

 

[Zee]

When it comes to  shootouts, really I doubt there's a tremendous amount of difference in skill between most of the players. That's why I don't mind seeing defensemen take shootout attempts. At the NHL level, just about any player will be able to take a shootout attempt at a high skill level.

Kaberle used to take shootouts from time to time I remember.  I'd love to see Phaneuf take one, skate in and just take a slap shot from the dot.  Watch the goalie cringe as it whizzes by his head.

 

[pnjunction]

I missed both of these games on a business trip. Not too broken up about missing another shootout fail, but hey they got 3 of 4 points I'll take it on the whole.

 

[Highlander]

Yes, Kab's could pot the shootout.... would have like to see them try him at LW at one point

 

[Joe S.]

Good game by the leafs.  Would be nice if weren't the worst team ever at shootouts.  Reimer isn't a good shootout goalie so I didn't expect to win.  But he looked good last night, the shooters looked awful however.  Kessel scores two goals and doesn't get to shoot?  Stupid.

He stopped 2 of 3, it's not his fault the team lost in a shootout.

However, I will never get worked up over a shootout. I don't care how many years it's been in the league, it's still a dumb gimmick...

There's extra pressure on Reimer since he realizes he has to stop all 3 (and maybe more) cause the Leafs never score on the shootout.  Once Bozak missed (only guy to score this year) Reimer knew it was over.

the first year of the shootout, I seem to recall Sundin couldn't score, the second year, he did more than half the time I believe... It changes from year to year with players - it wouldn't surprise me if next year Bozak is terrible at it...

 

[Joe S.]

Good game by the leafs.  Would be nice if weren't the worst team ever at shootouts.  Reimer isn't a good shootout goalie so I didn't expect to win.  But he looked good last night, the shooters looked awful however.  Kessel scores two goals and doesn't get to shoot?  Stupid.

He stopped 2 of 3, it's not his fault the team lost in a shootout.

However, I will never get worked up over a shootout. I don't care how many years it's been in the league, it's still a dumb gimmick...

Yeah, still not a fan - the overtime was far more exciting..

If you were to adjust the standings to ignore shootout wins (i.e. what the standings would be if the game ended after OT), not too many teams would be impacted - although I was surprised to see which ones would: In the east, the Sens move down 3 spots to 9th, Buffalo moves down to 14th, Winnipeg would be on top of the SE, and Washington would be 7th...

At the end of each year, I like to post the 'real' standings by taking away the shootouts - I think one year Colorado got into the playoffs with their shootout wins and extra points - I think it was something like 10-15 extra points... I gotta look that up now.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Good game by the leafs.  Would be nice if weren't the worst team ever at shootouts.  Reimer isn't a good shootout goalie so I didn't expect to win.  But he looked good last night, the shooters looked awful however.  Kessel scores two goals and doesn't get to shoot?  Stupid.

Reimer being a good or bad shootout goalie has nothing to do with why the team is losing in the shootout. They have 3 combined goals this year..all by Bozak. The goalie has nothing to do with that.

What the heck?  Two posts arguing what I said, but actually agreeing with what I said.  I said, Reimer looked good, the shooters were awful. 

A better way of saying it would of been..."The Leafs suck in the shootout"

Ummm...I did.  I said it would be nice if the Leafs weren't the worst team in shootouts. 

Did everyone just read Reimers name and make up what they wanted?

You said 'Reimer isn't a good shootout goalie'....This is what I took issue with. I don't think we can call Reimer a good shootout goalie or not until he starts getting some run support.

 

[Kin]

You said 'Reimer isn't a good shootout goalie'....This is what I took issue with. I don't think we can call Reimer a good shootout goalie or not until he starts getting some run support.

Why not? Whether or not the Leafs win the shootout Reimer can still be judged on the shots he faces.

 

[Bullfrog]

Agreed. Not sure what the Leafs' skaters' performance has to do with Reimer's goaltending performance.

 

[hockeyfan1]

A rather 'feeble' effort on the shootout.  Oh well, Leafs have had some trouble in these shootouts all season long.

Also, as noted, seems they (shootouts) are too much to handle for Reimer.  Not to take anything away from him, he kept his team in she game, but, those shootouts...

 

[Leaflifer]

Wondering how much longer the game would be if they just tacked on an extra five minutes of OT? The time it takes to get the shootout over with they could have played some hockey instead.

Can't even complain about how much I deplore shootouts when the Leafs are suffering with them.

It just comes off as sour grapes. Even a shootout win feels like we won a prize at a carnival game.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

You said 'Reimer isn't a good shootout goalie'....This is what I took issue with. I don't think we can call Reimer a good shootout goalie or not until he starts getting some run support.

Why not? Whether or not the Leafs win the shootout Reimer can still be judged on the shots he faces.

Well generally I think Reimer's shootout performance has been judged on the horrible record in them which I think has nothing to do with Reimer.

Just my opinion but I don't think he's been anywhere near bad in the shootout though he is the easiest guy to blame which seems to be the path taken around here most days.

 

[Kin]

Well generally I think Reimer's shootout performance has been judged on the horrible record in them which I think has nothing to do with Reimer.

Fair enough. Saying that people aren't getting it right isn't quite the same as saying people can't make the judgment at all though.

 

[Bonsixx]

Reimer doesn't really inspire much confidence in the shootout in general, but last night he was fine. The one goal wasn't great, but stuck with the other two shooters pretty well.

It's going to be pretty incredible if this season ends with the Leafs having only one player successfully convert a shootout attempt.

 

[Kaberle15]

I missed both of these games on a business trip. Not too broken up about missing another shootout fail, but hey they got 3 of 4 points I'll take it on the whole.

Just to twist it a bit, Leafs, after 2 games with NYR end up with 1 point more over NYR, while 3 more near the promisse land. Plus NYR didn't got a ROW win.

Not bad, not bad at all.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Well generally I think Reimer's shootout performance has been judged on the horrible record in them which I think has nothing to do with Reimer.

Fair enough. Saying that people aren't getting it right isn't quite the same as saying people can't make the judgment at all though.

My Bad!  ;D