Game 65: Maple Leafs @ Les Habs 7:00pm - The New Era ?

[Kaberle15]

Carlyle in, Wilson out.

Leafs still are 5 points back of the dance (unbelivable after a 1-9-1 record in the past 11 that they remain only 5 points back) and they hold the 6th overall choice in the next draft.

Carlyle will try for the 1st win as the new Leafs head coach, as finally our prayers have been answer and Wilson got release from his dutties.

Hopefully Randy Carlyle can start to introduce a new system, one that actually play some D.

I Still don't know if I cheer or tank. Go Leafs Go !?

Here is the full preview. http://scores.espn.go.com/nhl/preview?gameId=400046824

 

[Mack674]

Just glanced at the numbers and while im hardly optimistic about the leafs making the playoffs now, Im dooming them quite as much as yesterday.

They would need to go 11-4-3 to make 90 points, which gives them a reasonable chance (66% or so according to sportsclubstats.com) to make it in. Historically its been around 90-92 for 8th place post lockout. However, the Capitals and Panthers, and Jets and really everyone the Leafs need to catch - they play against going down to the wire. Those teams also have not played that well either which is why the Leafs are only 5 points back and not 9 or 10 which they probobly should be.

Again, not very likely but 11-4-3 is doable, especially if they win the games against Tampa, Washington, Florida, Winnipeg etc.

 

[proteus2000]

Just glanced at the numbers and while im hardly optimistic about the leafs making the playoffs now, Im dooming them quite as much as yesterday.

They would need to go 11-4-3 to make 90 points, which gives them a reasonable chance (66% or so according to sportsclubstats.com) to make it in. Historically its been around 90-92 for 8th place post lockout. However, the Capitals and Panthers, and Jets and really everyone the Leafs need to catch - they play against going down to the wire. Those teams also have not played that well either which is why the Leafs are only 5 points back and not 9 or 10 which they probobly should be.

Again, not very likely but 11-4-3 is doable, especially if they win the games against Tampa, Washington, Florida, Winnipeg etc.

I don't know, only losing 4/18 in regulation time is a pretty tall order for a squad that has not done it in 9/11 games. The Leafs also have a tougher schedule then all those SE teams playing each other.

They are in 25th this morning, which would net them a pretty decent pick. I presume that they'll go on a usual late season run to finish around 20th.

 

[Mack674]

Just glanced at the numbers and while im hardly optimistic about the leafs making the playoffs now, Im dooming them quite as much as yesterday.

They would need to go 11-4-3 to make 90 points, which gives them a reasonable chance (66% or so according to sportsclubstats.com) to make it in. Historically its been around 90-92 for 8th place post lockout. However, the Capitals and Panthers, and Jets and really everyone the Leafs need to catch - they play against going down to the wire. Those teams also have not played that well either which is why the Leafs are only 5 points back and not 9 or 10 which they probobly should be.

Again, not very likely but 11-4-3 is doable, especially if they win the games against Tampa, Washington, Florida, Winnipeg etc.

I don't know, only losing 4/18 in regulation time is a pretty tall order for a squad that has not done it in 9/11 games. The Leafs also have a tougher schedule then all those SE teams playing each other.

They are in 25th this morning, which would net them a pretty decent pick. I presume that they'll go on a usual late season run to finish around 20th.

Do-able, not probable. Crazier things have happened, like losing 10 of 11 games for example.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Also 2 games in hand on 8th - although most of the teams around us also have 2 games in hand on them, too.

 

[proteus2000]

Just glanced at the numbers and while im hardly optimistic about the leafs making the playoffs now, Im dooming them quite as much as yesterday.

They would need to go 11-4-3 to make 90 points, which gives them a reasonable chance (66% or so according to sportsclubstats.com) to make it in. Historically its been around 90-92 for 8th place post lockout. However, the Capitals and Panthers, and Jets and really everyone the Leafs need to catch - they play against going down to the wire. Those teams also have not played that well either which is why the Leafs are only 5 points back and not 9 or 10 which they probobly should be.

Again, not very likely but 11-4-3 is doable, especially if they win the games against Tampa, Washington, Florida, Winnipeg etc.

I don't know, only losing 4/18 in regulation time is a pretty tall order for a squad that has not done it in 9/11 games. The Leafs also have a tougher schedule then all those SE teams playing each other.

They are in 25th this morning, which would net them a pretty decent pick. I presume that they'll go on a usual late season run to finish around 20th.

Do-able, not probable. Crazier things have happened, like losing 10 of 11 games for example.

This implosion has to be the worst thing to occur post lockout. I felt so comfortable saying that we had a better squad than the Jets, Caps, Panthers, 11 games ago, and that we would for sure be in the playoffs. I hate how we need another miracle like we need every year at this point, but a strong finish under Carlyle would be epic and make him look good.

 

[Bender]

Just glanced at the numbers and while im hardly optimistic about the leafs making the playoffs now, Im dooming them quite as much as yesterday.

They would need to go 11-4-3 to make 90 points, which gives them a reasonable chance (66% or so according to sportsclubstats.com) to make it in. Historically its been around 90-92 for 8th place post lockout. However, the Capitals and Panthers, and Jets and really everyone the Leafs need to catch - they play against going down to the wire. Those teams also have not played that well either which is why the Leafs are only 5 points back and not 9 or 10 which they probobly should be.

Again, not very likely but 11-4-3 is doable, especially if they win the games against Tampa, Washington, Florida, Winnipeg etc.

I don't know, only losing 4/18 in regulation time is a pretty tall order for a squad that has not done it in 9/11 games. The Leafs also have a tougher schedule then all those SE teams playing each other.

They are in 25th this morning, which would net them a pretty decent pick. I presume that they'll go on a usual late season run to finish around 20th.

Do-able, not probable. Crazier things have happened, like losing 10 of 11 games for example.

This implosion has to be the worst thing to occur post lockout. I felt so comfortable saying that we had a better squad than the Jets, Caps, Panthers, 11 games ago, and that we would for sure be in the playoffs. I hate how we need another miracle like we need every year at this point, but a strong finish under Carlyle would be epic and make him look good.

Well we have our pick and Filip Forsberg ain't looking half bad right about now.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

This implosion has to be the worst thing to occur post lockout. I felt so comfortable saying that we had a better squad than the Jets, Caps, Panthers, 11 games ago, and that we would for sure be in the playoffs. I hate how we need another miracle like we need every year at this point, but a strong finish under Carlyle would be epic and make him look good.

Burke said as much, he's never seen this kind of fall before. He said "it was like and eighteen wheeler going off a cliff"....

 

[ZBBM]

This implosion has to be the worst thing to occur post lockout. I felt so comfortable saying that we had a better squad than the Jets, Caps, Panthers, 11 games ago, and that we would for sure be in the playoffs. I hate how we need another miracle like we need every year at this point, but a strong finish under Carlyle would be epic and make him look good.

Burke said as much, he's never seen this kind of fall before. He said "it was like and eighteen wheeler going off a cliff"....

I thought his bafflement was a bit silly, but I just posted some more detailed comments in the Carlyle thread.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

This implosion has to be the worst thing to occur post lockout. I felt so comfortable saying that we had a better squad than the Jets, Caps, Panthers, 11 games ago, and that we would for sure be in the playoffs. I hate how we need another miracle like we need every year at this point, but a strong finish under Carlyle would be epic and make him look good.

Burke said as much, he's never seen this kind of fall before. He said "it was like and eighteen wheeler going off a cliff"....

I thought his bafflement was a bit silly, but I just posted some more detailed comments in the Carlyle thread.

I saw it, I agreed with most of it. I see Burke's point on this issue. I agree with him on the goaltending, because this isn't an issue of a veteran that isn't good enough, it's two young guys learning to be good goaltenders. While Goose is a bit older, his experience in the NHL isn't that extensive. Both have gone through season changing injuries, so they get the benefit of the doubt from me here..

You watched this team as much as I did and I never expected this kind of drop off, this team was winning and beating teams easily before the slide. The one thing I will say, is that the physicality dropped off (and it wasn't strong to begin with). I didn't know that Ron and Brian weren't on the same page there, which explains a lot to me. With Carlyle coming in, I think you'll see a lot more checks being finished, which makes me happy.

 

[Bender]

This implosion has to be the worst thing to occur post lockout. I felt so comfortable saying that we had a better squad than the Jets, Caps, Panthers, 11 games ago, and that we would for sure be in the playoffs. I hate how we need another miracle like we need every year at this point, but a strong finish under Carlyle would be epic and make him look good.

Burke said as much, he's never seen this kind of fall before. He said "it was like and eighteen wheeler going off a cliff"....

I thought his bafflement was a bit silly, but I just posted some more detailed comments in the Carlyle thread.

I saw it, I agreed with most of it. I see Burke's point on this issue. I agree with him on the goaltending, because this isn't an issue of a veteran that isn't good enough, it's two young guys learning to be good goaltenders. While Goose is a bit older, his experience in the NHL isn't that extensive. Both have gone through season changing injuries, so they get the benefit of the doubt from me here..

You watched this team as much as I did and I never expected this kind of drop off, this team was winning and beating teams easily before the slide. The one thing I will say, is that the physicality dropped off (and it wasn't strong to begin with). I didn't know that Ron and Brian weren't on the same page there, which explains a lot to me. With Carlyle coming in, I think you'll see a lot more checks being finished, which makes me happy.

Did he say something to the effect that Wilson didn't want to play a physical game? Interesting.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Did he say something to the effect that Wilson didn't want to play a physical game? Interesting.

I can't remember the exact question, but he was asked if he and Wilson were always on the same philosophical page. He said that everything was okay, but that if there was anything, it was that Burke wanted a more physical team and Ron didn't always feel that way. Not that Ron didn't like a hard game player, but that skill and fundamentals were more important is all.

 

[Deebo]

D pairings:

Phaneuf/gunnarsson
Liles/Komisarek
Schenn/Gardiner

Komisarek in? Fire Carlyle?

 

[drummond]

D pairings:

Phaneuf/gunnarsson
Liles/Komisarek
Schenn/Gardiner

Komisarek in? Fire Carlyle?

Unless Franson is injured I really do not understand this move

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

D pairings:

Phaneuf/gunnarsson
Liles/Komisarek
Schenn/Gardiner

Komisarek in? Fire Carlyle?

I guess Komisarek will have to bring that physical edge tonight, or he'll probably be out on Tuesday against Boston, where he'll most likely be more needed. Carlyle didn't have to dress more physicality against the hobbits IMO. I think Franson should have been in tonight and Komi on Tuesday, but that's me.

 

[ZBBM]

This implosion has to be the worst thing to occur post lockout. I felt so comfortable saying that we had a better squad than the Jets, Caps, Panthers, 11 games ago, and that we would for sure be in the playoffs. I hate how we need another miracle like we need every year at this point, but a strong finish under Carlyle would be epic and make him look good.

Burke said as much, he's never seen this kind of fall before. He said "it was like and eighteen wheeler going off a cliff"....

I thought his bafflement was a bit silly, but I just posted some more detailed comments in the Carlyle thread.

I saw it, I agreed with most of it. I see Burke's point on this issue. I agree with him on the goaltending, because this isn't an issue of a veteran that isn't good enough, it's two young guys learning to be good goaltenders. While Goose is a bit older, his experience in the NHL isn't that extensive. Both have gone through season changing injuries, so they get the benefit of the doubt from me here..

You watched this team as much as I did and I never expected this kind of drop off, this team was winning and beating teams easily before the slide. The one thing I will say, is that the physicality dropped off (and it wasn't strong to begin with). I didn't know that Ron and Brian weren't on the same page there, which explains a lot to me. With Carlyle coming in, I think you'll see a lot more checks being finished, which makes me happy.

The underlined part of the sentence I agree with -- I didn't think they'd go into nosedive like they have.  But as to the bolded part -- well, I disagree with that.  Here's what I posted in the Carlyle thread:

4.  Burke's bafflement at the "18-wheeler going straight off a cliff" is disingenuous.  The obvious answer is that the team's talent isn't as good as he thought.  The team was never solidly in a playoff spot these past couple of months.  It's been a dogfight all year, and the one thing they had avoided was a long losing streak.  Which they could have absorbed, EXCEPT that they never had a really long winning streak, either.  And that tells you something about the relative mediocrity of the talent -- at this stage in their development.

So what I'm saying is that while I didn't expect a nosedive, in retrospect it's not hard to see why they finally have had one.  And talent is where you need to look for an explanation.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

So what I'm saying is that while I didn't expect a nosedive, in retrospect it's not hard to see why they finally have had one.  And talent is where you need to look for an explanation.

Sure, but I guess that comes down to what people's expectations were before hand. I never really saw this team as a serious threat to win anything, but I did think they had the talent to make the playoffs, even if it was just squeak in. A few weeks ago, I thought they had 8th locked down with the talent they have, I'm really surprised as Burke is by how bad they actually were. I don't blame it solely on rumours or what have you, but something less than normal happened there that is a bit puzzling.

 

[Leafaholic99]

I haven't been pumped up for a Leafs game in a very very long time, I am extremely happy Wilson is gone and it has sparked my passion for the Leafs again! It may take a while to get some results from Carlyle, but I hope they come out on fire tonight for the new coach and absolutely destroy the Habs!!!!

GO LEAFS GO!

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I haven't been pumped up for a Leafs game in a very very long time, I am extremely happy Wilson is gone and it has sparked my passion for the Leafs again! It may take a while to get some results from Carlyle, but I hope they come out on fire tonight for the new coach and absolutely destroy the Habs!!!!

GO LEAFS GO!

Diluted the Jet fuel has it?  :

 

[Leafaholic99]

I haven't been pumped up for a Leafs game in a very very long time, I am extremely happy Wilson is gone and it has sparked my passion for the Leafs again! It may take a while to get some results from Carlyle, but I hope they come out on fire tonight for the new coach and absolutely destroy the Habs!!!!

GO LEAFS GO!

Diluted the Jet fuel has it?  :

Just a little bit haha, the Leafs will always be my first team, just lately it has been hard to cheer for them with Wilson behind the bench.