Game 65: Maple Leafs @ Les Habs 7:00pm - The New Era ?

[Capn_Crunch]

Anyone who think Grabovski doesn't deserve $5 million is dumb a pointless troll whose act wore thin weeks ago. 

Fixed that for you. 

Stop with the personal attacks please. Btw, I never said that Grabovski won't get 5 million as a UFA. There is ton of GMs that will overpay for his services. The fact is Leafs are heavily overpaying bunch of stiffs already: Armstrong, Connoly, Lombardi, Komisarek. You add Grabovski to that list and you got over 20 million dollars (1/3 of your freaking cap space) tied to 5 players and not one of em is onf any star caliber. The point is who would you rather have? Grabovski at 5 million or Parise at 7 or 8? I know where my money would go.

I would love to have Parise on this team but seriously if you added him to our lineup today and removed Grabs how much better would we be? Not much in my opinion. Who would he play with? We definitely need some more top 6 talent. Believe me if Burke could get both of them in our lineup he would probably do it although personally I think we need a top center and without losing Grabs who I think is a perfect #2 center.

First of all CML you are acting like a child who kicks someone again and again yet when someone tells them to stop they get upset and say " I didn't do anything"

Secondly, yes parise would be great but it is highly unlikely he dons the blue and white. He's going to want to goto a contending team not a bubble team at best. At this point paying him 8 mill a season to play here is insane. We have and will have a log jam on the wings and that money needs to go into centers for the top 6.

Lastly...with the new coach and system he'll instill we're bound to see changes to the roster this summer. Cap space will be opened up and grabbo's contract will not be a issue.

Grabbo needs to stay at all costs and I think RC knows and would soundly agree.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Randy Carlyle's coaching debut in this game can be seen as a breath of fresh (coaching) air, compared to Wilson's style.  By that I mean, the way Carlyle immersed himself in talking to the players, somehow calming them down (after a jittery start), and generally-speaking seemed far more emotive and less 'uptight' than the way Wilson exhibited himself behind that Leafs bench. 

Also, finally, the Leafs finally learned how to shoot the puck from all angles -- I saw more shots of various sorts taken than they had done all year -- making the team more dangerous from an offensive viewpoint.  The defence tightened up and seemed to know what it had to do.

All in all, despite having played a team in 15th spot in the Eastern Conference, this win was by far and wide a confidence booster, for both players & coach.  Of course, the real test will come soon enough (Boston on Tuesday), but, at least, the Leafs have 're-started' themselves on a positive note.

The playoffs are still within reach.  There is still hope, but, not at the expense of more losses.  Victories, gentlemen, we need more of 'em...please!

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Anyone who think Grabovski doesn't deserve $5 million is dumb a pointless troll whose act wore thin weeks ago. 

Fixed that for you. 

Stop with the personal attacks please. Btw, I never said that Grabovski won't get 5 million as a UFA. There is ton of GMs that will overpay for his services. The fact is Leafs are heavily overpaying bunch of stiffs already: Armstrong, Connoly, Lombardi, Komisarek. You add Grabovski to that list and you got over 20 million dollars (1/3 of your freaking cap space) tied to 5 players and not one of em is onf any star caliber. The point is who would you rather have? Grabovski at 5 million or Parise at 7 or 8? I know where my money would go.

I would love to have Parise on this team but seriously if you added him to our lineup today and removed Grabs how much better would we be? Not much in my opinion. Who would he play with? We definitely need some more top 6 talent. Believe me if Burke could get both of them in our lineup he would probably do it although personally I think we need a top center and without losing Grabs who I think is a perfect #2 center.

First of all CML you are acting like a child who kicks someone again and again yet when someone tells them to stop they get upset and say " I didn't do anything"

Secondly, yes parise would be great but it is highly unlikely he dons the blue and white. He's going to want to goto a contending team not a bubble team at best. At this point paying him 8 mill a season to play here is insane. We have and will have a log jam on the wings and that money needs to go into centers for the top 6.

Lastly...with the new coach and system he'll instill we're bound to see changes to the roster this summer. Cap space will be opened up and grabbo's contract will not be a issue.

Grabbo needs to stay at all costs and I think RC knows and would soundly agree.

Leafs management has indicated they are not willing to give Grabovski the 5 million a year he is seeking. But what do Burke, Dudley, Nonis, Pulin know about hockey.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Anyone who think Grabovski doesn't deserve $5 million is dumb a pointless troll whose act wore thin weeks ago. 

Fixed that for you. 

Stop with the personal attacks please. Btw, I never said that Grabovski won't get 5 million as a UFA. There is ton of GMs that will overpay for his services. The fact is Leafs are heavily overpaying bunch of stiffs already: Armstrong, Connoly, Lombardi, Komisarek. You add Grabovski to that list and you got over 20 million dollars (1/3 of your freaking cap space) tied to 5 players and not one of em is onf any star caliber. The point is who would you rather have? Grabovski at 5 million or Parise at 7 or 8? I know where my money would go.

I would love to have Parise on this team but seriously if you added him to our lineup today and removed Grabs how much better would we be? Not much in my opinion. Who would he play with? We definitely need some more top 6 talent. Believe me if Burke could get both of them in our lineup he would probably do it although personally I think we need a top center and without losing Grabs who I think is a perfect #2 center.

First of all CML you are acting like a child who kicks someone again and again yet when someone tells them to stop they get upset and say " I didn't do anything"

Secondly, yes parise would be great but it is highly unlikely he dons the blue and white. He's going to want to goto a contending team not a bubble team at best. At this point paying him 8 mill a season to play here is insane. We have and will have a log jam on the wings and that money needs to go into centers for the top 6.

Lastly...with the new coach and system he'll instill we're bound to see changes to the roster this summer. Cap space will be opened up and grabbo's contract will not be a issue.

Grabbo needs to stay at all costs and I think RC knows and would soundly agree.

Leafs management has indicated they are not willing to give Grabovski the 5 million a year he is seeking. But what do Burke, Dudley, Nonis, Pulin know about hockey.

And Burke also recently indicated he had full confidence in Wilson. Grabbo will get close to 5 mill and he's worth it.

 

[Capn_Crunch]

Anyone who think Grabovski doesn't deserve $5 million is dumb a pointless troll whose act wore thin weeks ago. 

Fixed that for you. 

Stop with the personal attacks please. Btw, I never said that Grabovski won't get 5 million as a UFA. There is ton of GMs that will overpay for his services. The fact is Leafs are heavily overpaying bunch of stiffs already: Armstrong, Connoly, Lombardi, Komisarek. You add Grabovski to that list and you got over 20 million dollars (1/3 of your freaking cap space) tied to 5 players and not one of em is onf any star caliber. The point is who would you rather have? Grabovski at 5 million or Parise at 7 or 8? I know where my money would go.

I would love to have Parise on this team but seriously if you added him to our lineup today and removed Grabs how much better would we be? Not much in my opinion. Who would he play with? We definitely need some more top 6 talent. Believe me if Burke could get both of them in our lineup he would probably do it although personally I think we need a top center and without losing Grabs who I think is a perfect #2 center.

First of all CML you are acting like a child who kicks someone again and again yet when someone tells them to stop they get upset and say " I didn't do anything"

Secondly, yes parise would be great but it is highly unlikely he dons the blue and white. He's going to want to goto a contending team not a bubble team at best. At this point paying him 8 mill a season to play here is insane. We have and will have a log jam on the wings and that money needs to go into centers for the top 6.

Lastly...with the new coach and system he'll instill we're bound to see changes to the roster this summer. Cap space will be opened up and grabbo's contract will not be a issue.

Grabbo needs to stay at all costs and I think RC knows and would soundly agree.

Leafs management has indicated they are not willing to give Grabovski the 5 million a year he is seeking. But what do Burke, Dudley, Nonis, Pulin know about hockey.

I'd like to see a quote where BB and company say that they are not willing to do so....In fact there was a report last week that BB and Grabbo's agent have made headway and thats why BB wouldn't consider trading Grabbo at the deadline. And toronto star reports and eklund blurbs do not count as reliable sources either.

 

[Deebo]

Anyone who think Grabovski doesn't deserve $5 million is dumb a pointless troll whose act wore thin weeks ago. 

Fixed that for you. 

Stop with the personal attacks please. Btw, I never said that Grabovski won't get 5 million as a UFA. There is ton of GMs that will overpay for his services. The fact is Leafs are heavily overpaying bunch of stiffs already: Armstrong, Connoly, Lombardi, Komisarek. You add Grabovski to that list and you got over 20 million dollars (1/3 of your freaking cap space) tied to 5 players and not one of em is onf any star caliber. The point is who would you rather have? Grabovski at 5 million or Parise at 7 or 8? I know where my money would go.

I would love to have Parise on this team but seriously if you added him to our lineup today and removed Grabs how much better would we be? Not much in my opinion. Who would he play with? We definitely need some more top 6 talent. Believe me if Burke could get both of them in our lineup he would probably do it although personally I think we need a top center and without losing Grabs who I think is a perfect #2 center.

First of all CML you are acting like a child who kicks someone again and again yet when someone tells them to stop they get upset and say " I didn't do anything"

Secondly, yes parise would be great but it is highly unlikely he dons the blue and white. He's going to want to goto a contending team not a bubble team at best. At this point paying him 8 mill a season to play here is insane. We have and will have a log jam on the wings and that money needs to go into centers for the top 6.

Lastly...with the new coach and system he'll instill we're bound to see changes to the roster this summer. Cap space will be opened up and grabbo's contract will not be a issue.

Grabbo needs to stay at all costs and I think RC knows and would soundly agree.

Leafs management has indicated they are not willing to give Grabovski the 5 million a year he is seeking. But what do Burke, Dudley, Nonis, Pulin know about hockey.

I'd like to see a quote where BB and company say that they are not willing to do so....In fact there was a report last week that BB and Grabbo's agent have made headway and thats why BB wouldn't consider trading Grabbo at the deadline. And toronto star reports and eklund blurbs do not count as reliable sources either.

The reports I've heard say that term, not salary is the sticking point.

 

[bustaheims]

Leafs management has indicated they are not willing to give Grabovski the 5 million a year he is seeking. But what do Burke, Dudley, Nonis, Pulin know about hockey.

That's just not true. Every report has the issue being one of term rather than one of dollars.

 

[Kin]

The reports I've heard say that term, not salary is the sticking point.

Although that's sort of six of one, half a dozen of the other. The difference over term is still primarily a dispute over money.

 

[bustaheims]

Although that's sort of six of one, half a dozen of the other. The difference over term is still primarily a dispute over money.

It is, but the nature of the dispute is fairly significantly different. If the reports are accurate, then both sides are at least close to agreeing that Grabovski is worth ~$5M a season - the crux of the current debate. The issue at hand int he negotiations is (according to the reports) how many seasons he'll be worth that much.

 

[Kin]

It is, but the nature of the dispute is fairly significantly different. If the reports are accurate, then both sides are at least close to agreeing that Grabovski is worth ~$5M a season - the crux of the current debate. The issue at hand int he negotiations is (according to the reports) how many seasons he'll be worth that much.

Although that can simply be a way of expressing a dispute that's really about money. If Grabo's position is something along the lines of wanting to sign a contract that pays him at least 35 million guaranteed and so he's arrived at, say, a seven year contract that pays him that much and Burke is countering with 4 years/20 then getting Grabo, or his agent, to come down is almost certainly an issue of going up in terms of annual value. So a difference in term can still be fundamentally a dispute over how much they think he's worth.

Saying you're willing to sign a guy to a short term deal at five million dollars doesn't mean a ton in light of what Connolly got. Term/salary are tied up if there's a significant difference.

 

[Damian]

this is pro sports....its always inevitably about money

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Leafs management has indicated they are not willing to give Grabovski the 5 million a year he is seeking. But what do Burke, Dudley, Nonis, Pulin know about hockey.

That's just not true. Every report has the issue being one of term rather than one of dollars.

Even then, it was reported that Grabs was looking for Kessel-like money in the $5.5mil area and the Leafs didn't want to go above $5mil.

 

[Tigger]

we need to dump Komi in the minors to replace finger and free up 4.5 mil in space.

Can't do that with Komi, NMC.

 

[Tigger]

Leafs management has indicated they are not willing to give Grabovski the 5 million a year he is seeking. But what do Burke, Dudley, Nonis, Pulin know about hockey.

When did they do that?

 

[ZBBM]

Randy Carlyle's coaching debut in this game can be seen as a breath of fresh (coaching) air, compared to Wilson's style.  By that I mean, the way Carlyle immersed himself in talking to the players, somehow calming them down (after a jittery start), and generally-speaking seemed far more emotive and less 'uptight' than the way Wilson exhibited himself behind that Leafs bench. 

Also, finally, the Leafs finally learned how to shoot the puck from all angles -- I saw more shots of various sorts taken than they had done all year -- making the team more dangerous from an offensive viewpoint.  The defence tightened up and seemed to know what it had to do.

All in all, despite having played a team in 15th spot in the Eastern Conference, this win was by far and wide a confidence booster, for both players & coach.  Of course, the real test will come soon enough (Boston on Tuesday), but, at least, the Leafs have 're-started' themselves on a positive note.

The playoffs are still within reach.  There is still hope, but, not at the expense of more losses.  Victories, gentlemen, we need more of 'em...please!

Well said.  Carlyle seemed more obviously engaged on the bench than Wilson.  Not necessarily that that makes for a more effective coaching style in general, but -- as much as you can judge anything based on a single game ? it seems like more in-game "active" coaching is what this particular team needs.

 

[Bender]

Leafs management has indicated they are not willing to give Grabovski the 5 million a year he is seeking. But what do Burke, Dudley, Nonis, Pulin know about hockey.

When did they do that?

Burke's said that he's confident that he can get Grabbo under contract before July 1. I don't see what the big deal is right now.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Leafs management has indicated they are not willing to give Grabovski the 5 million a year he is seeking. But what do Burke, Dudley, Nonis, Pulin know about hockey.

Well you seem to spend most of your time on here criticizing the team they have put together, so...

 

[nutman]

I see 4.4 per over 4yrs with an option for a 5th. this I think will happen.

 

[Deebo]

I see 4.4 per over 4yrs with an option for a 5th. this I think will happen.

There are no option years since the new CBA.

 

[nutman]

I see 4.4 per over 4yrs with an option for a 5th. this I think will happen.

There are no option years since the new CBA.

I stand corrected, 4yrs at 4.4 mil.