Goaltending conundrum

[ZBBM]

Heard him on Blue Breakfast this morning say roughly the same thing.  Something like "I wouldn't be surprised if the Leafs went with Reimer/Scrivens tandem if price for Luongo is not to their liking".  Still sounds more like Dreger just speculating as opposed to having any real source (despite the fact that Nonis is his brother in law)

Maybe, but it's in-line with the kind of stuff Burke has been saying all along - he's not going to panic and overpay when there are other options available to him. The way things are playing out, it may turn out the Luongo doesn't get dealt at all and Schneider ends up being moved instead.

This is what I've been saying for awhile: the Leafs (nor anybody else) need to overpay to get Luongo.  In fact, VAN needs to "pay" to move him, either by taking back a Komi-like contract or just letting him go for a low pick.

And if Schneider goes on the market, even better for us -- we'd have a shot at recouping the kind of goalie we lost in Rask.

But if neither happens, I wouldn't freak out at a Reimer/Scrivens tandem.  Although we need to recognize that that's even a weaker duo than Reimer/Gus.  Scrivens hasn't proven anything at all, and at least Gus provided some intermittently good goaltending.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

The thing I like about Scrivens, is that he seems to handle pressure well in Toronto, way better than Gus ever did. My gut is telling me that Scrivens might actually do very well in Toronto, so I wouldn't mind if we did go with Reims and Srivens.

Ultimately though, I think all this talk is just posturing and that Luongo does indeed land in Toronto, but Vannucks are taking a contract back either way IMO. I have a hard time believing that Gillis would end up sticking to his guns to spite his team and lose Schneider over this, before he simply sells Luongo for a song.

 

[Etiam Vultus]

Although this has not been picked up in the media, the belief in Vancouver is that Luongo wants out of Vancouver for family reasons as well as professional ones.  If this is true, then trading Schneider does not solve their problem.

 

[lamajama]

Luongo's wife and kids still live in Florida. They have never moved to Vancouver.

As well, The Canucks will certainly sign Schneider so to have probably $8-9
mil in goalie Cap space will kill Vancouver, It may work out better for the Leafs (IF Burke wants him) to get him in season or pre-season...if there is one... :-\

 

[Corn Flake]

Although this has not been picked up in the media, the belief in Vancouver is that Luongo wants out of Vancouver for family reasons as well as professional ones.  If this is true, then trading Schneider does not solve their problem.

That problem is Luongo's, not Vancouver's.

 

[bustaheims]

As well, The Canucks will certainly sign Schneider

I'm not sure that's really a certainty. The Canucks would certainly prefer to sign Schneider, but, the feeling is that Schneider doesn't want to sign with Vancouver until the Luongo situation is resolved. On top of that, Schneider hits the open market as an RFA a week and a half from now. If they don't get something before then, there's a very real chance that Schneider could sign a 1 year offer sheet before the Canucks can take him to arbitration on July 5th. Either way, the Canucks would only be guaranteed one more season of Schneider, and, if it's through the offer sheet route, the lose the ability to trade him before he becomes a UFA next summer. The Schneider situation only adds to the pressure Gillis must be feeling RE: Luongo. His negotiating position really sucks, and, if he misplays things, he could very well end up with neither goaltender for the 13/14 season.

 

[Etiam Vultus]

CBS Sports is saying that Tim Thomas has waived his no trade clause.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

CBS Sports is saying that Tim Thomas has waived his no trade clause.

But it probably just means he's playing nice.  Still planning to take the year off but allowing the Bruins to get out from under his contract.

 

[iwas11in67]

CBS Sports is saying that Tim Thomas has waived his no trade clause.

But it probably just means he's playing nice.  Still planning to take the year off but allowing the Bruins to get out from under his contract.

Timing is very interesting though.

 

[jonlleafs]

CBS Sports is saying that Tim Thomas has waived his no trade clause.

But it probably just means he's playing nice.  Still planning to take the year off but allowing the Bruins to get out from under his contract.

Timing is very interesting though.

I would love it if Burke acquired him and then talked him into playing for us.  Not only does it give us a short term solution in net (to allow Reimer and Scrivens to develop/mature), but it sticks it to Mike Gillis and the Canucks thinking they could get more than they wanted for Luongo.  I'd like to see Gillis squirming over there as they fill up the cap with 2 highly priced goalies or maybe be forced to trade away Schneider and keep Luongo.  That would be priceless.

 

[riff raff]

CBS Sports is saying that Tim Thomas has waived his no trade clause.

But it probably just means he's playing nice.  Still planning to take the year off but allowing the Bruins to get out from under his contract.

So who takes him? Someone who needs to get to the cap floor?

 

[Etiam Vultus]

CBS Sports is saying that Tim Thomas has waived his no trade clause.

But it probably just means he's playing nice.  Still planning to take the year off but allowing the Bruins to get out from under his contract.

Timing is very interesting though.

The no trade clause would have expired anyway on July 1, all the waiver did was allow the Bruins to negotiate his trade at the draft.

I continue to be skeptical that he is planning to take the year off.  Does anyone have a direct quote where he actually said that?  I know that he posted on his face book that he was going to be concentrating on family, friends, and faith over the next year, but lots of people say similar things as part of a New Year's resolution, but they have no intention of taking a year off of their job.

 

[Frank E]

CBS Sports is saying that Tim Thomas has waived his no trade clause.

But it probably just means he's playing nice.  Still planning to take the year off but allowing the Bruins to get out from under his contract.

Timing is very interesting though.

The no trade clause would have expired anyway on July 1, all the waiver did was allow the Bruins to negotiate his trade at the draft.

I continue to be skeptical that he is planning to take the year off.  Does anyone have a direct quote where he actually said that?  I know that he posted on his face book that he was going to be concentrating on family, friends, and faith over the next year, but lots of people say similar things as part of a New Year's resolution, but they have no intention of taking a year off of their job.

I suppose he could surprise the team that acquires him and report for duty.  They would then have to pay him.

 

[Redleaf]

CBS Sports is saying that Tim Thomas has waived his no trade clause.

But it probably just means he's playing nice.  Still planning to take the year off but allowing the Bruins to get out from under his contract.

So who takes him? Someone who needs to get to the cap floor?

Hopefully FLA so Burke can call back Gillis and tell him it's gonna be a straight salary dump, and that he'll have to throw in Vancouvers first pick to squeeze the deal through...... 8)

 

[Screwball]

Tim Thomas would be a perfect stop gap solution providing the cost of acquisition isn't too high.  He'd be able to offer 1-2 years of solid goaltending assuming he would play for the Leafs this year.

I'd much prefer that over Luongo.

 

[bustaheims]

CBS Sports is saying that Tim Thomas has waived his no trade clause.

But it probably just means he's playing nice.  Still planning to take the year off but allowing the Bruins to get out from under his contract.

Timing is very interesting though.

His NTC would have disappeared in July 1st any ways, so, really, it's pretty meaningless. According to Chiarelli, he told the team he'd be willing to waive almost 2 weeks ago. He's still not planning on playing next season.

 

[Fanatic]

If we can believe Peter Chiarelli then Thomas agreed to waive the no-trade clause 10 days ago. Its an interesting bit of CBA that a team having a problem reaching the floor of spending can trade for Thomas and get the cap hit that they need and yet never have to pay the cash since Thomas won't report.

Bruins get cap relief, some other team gets a cap hit that they need without spending any money and Thomas could care less who that is because he will never play a game for them anyway.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

If we can believe Peter Chiarelli then Thomas agreed to waive the no-trade clause 10 days ago. Its an interesting bit of CBA that a team having a problem reaching the floor of spending can trade for Thomas and get the cap hit that they need and yet never have to pay the cash since Thomas won't report.

Bruins get cap relief, some other team gets a cap hit that they need without spending any money and Thomas could care less who that is because he will never play a game for them anyway.

This is kind of like a blog for you isn't it?

You come in a day after topics have been discussed, repeat the information with no new take on it and then leave.

Strange.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Tim Thomas would be a perfect stop gap solution providing the cost of acquisition isn't too high.  He'd be able to offer 1-2 years of solid goaltending assuming he would play for the Leafs this year.

I'd much prefer that over Luongo.

Same here. Thomas would indeed be a good (maybe even better than that) 'stopgap' measure for the Leafs for the next year or two, while providing solid, experienced netminding, while the rest of the Leafs goaltenders are given time to mature further.  I do like the idea as long as we don't lose much in the process.

 

[WalterSobchak]

If we can believe Peter Chiarelli then Thomas agreed to waive the no-trade clause 10 days ago. Its an interesting bit of CBA that a team having a problem reaching the floor of spending can trade for Thomas and get the cap hit that they need and yet never have to pay the cash since Thomas won't report.

Bruins get cap relief, some other team gets a cap hit that they need without spending any money and Thomas could care less who that is because he will never play a game for them anyway.

Loopholes taken advantage of I suppose. Just like when the Leafs paid the Lightning for their injured players a few years back, by taking on salary that it, and got a few free draft picks for their trouble.