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Idiocracy 2024

America is not ready as yet for socialism.
If Trudeau had one iota of sense he would do what Joe should have done and give some more runway for a replacement candidate.
The NDP has been a complete dister in this country. One of their new brain trust here in BC is to put a .25 cent surcharge on every fast food paper carry out bag, just seems like another complete cash grab.
Thank God then that the democrats are nowhere near being socialists. Honestly, you're just regurgitating Republican nonsense. The fact that you buy into it is essentially an illustration of why Trump won.

To suggest racism and misogyny didn't have a major influence is just completely naive. Many......many of the Trump voters still believe a man must be the head of the household because the bible something something.

Ask all the low income earners who just got free dental care if the NDP has been a disaster.
 
I think that it's also important to remember what Trump represents to a good portion of the population. Especially through the rust belt and other industry driven areas. Jobs. I work for a steel manufacturing company that has a good chunk of it's NA sales go to the coal industry. If the coal industry goes belly up, so goes a lot of people's livelihoods. At least I think that's part of the fear that drives them towards a lunatic like Trump. They look past the other BS and simply look at "who's going to allow me to put food on my table."

I don't condone it, but I can understand it.
Agreed. Definitely valid. Bernie Sanders's statement was telling: "the Democratic Party has abandoned the working class; why are we shocked the working class abandoned the party?" (paraphrased.)

Stupid. but valid.

Because jobs aren't going to matter much when we don't have a livable planet. But I guess who cares.........that's tomorrow's problem.
 
Agreed. Definitely valid. Bernie Sanders's statement was telling: "the Democratic Party has abandoned the working class; why are we shocked the working class abandoned the party?" (paraphrased.)

Stupid. but valid.

Because jobs aren't going to matter much when we don't have a livable planet. But I guess who cares.........that's tomorrow's problem.

I also don't think the GOP will fix any problems with small(er) businesses or be able to bring manufacturing back. People will not pay a premium for American made goods when we get a crap ton of stuff from Dollarama. I also think trade wars will put pressure on the smallest companies with the smallest economies of scale, not the Walmarts of the world.

I think just acknowledging the problem and tying incumbents & Joe Biden to it was a great strategy. It really doesn't matter if the policy is working, the fact is it hasn't worked yet. And as we've seen policy oftentimes take years for people to truly feel its effects, sometimes long after the party who initiated the policy is out of power.
 
What is miraculous is that all of a sudden it was a free and fair election and there was no cheating at all.

On freaking election night that mango was yelling that there was massive cheating going on… then… silence.
 
To suggest racism and misogyny didn't have a major influence is just completely naive. Many......many of the Trump voters still believe a man must be the head of the household because the bible something something.
Seriously. The number of times I heard/saw some version of "if your husband/boyfriend is voting for Kamala, you have a wife/girlfriend" was honestly sickening. Not to mention all the "jokes" about her sleeping her way to the top. The racist stuff wasn't as overt in my viewing, but there was definitely an uptick in it around the whole "suddenly she was black" BS.

None of that would have happened if she was a white dude Cameron Harris, with the exact same policies. Would that have changed the result? I don't know, but it certainly would have had a significant impact on the discourse.
 
Because jobs aren't going to matter much when we don't have a livable planet. But I guess who cares.........that's tomorrow's problem.

Well yes, this is the biggest problem. But, when you have it beaten into you that Trump is the only one that can put food on your table tonight, you have no choice but to ignore tomorrow.


And let me be clear that I am not ignoring or condoning anything that Trump actually is.

I live with 4 women. The first thing my daughter's asked was "how and why would anyone ever vote for someone like Trump?" It's a tough one to explain, but I think it's important to look past the person's error if you truly want to understand why they would vote for him.

I really do think that a big error made on the democrat part was classing all Trump voters as uneducated, racist idiots. That does nothing for the democrats. It only drives to solidify the other side. Liberals are making the same mistake in Canada.
 
Thank God then that the democrats are nowhere near being socialists. Honestly, you're just regurgitating Republican nonsense. The fact that you buy into it is essentially an illustration of why Trump won.

To suggest racism and misogyny didn't have a major influence is just completely naive. Many......many of the Trump voters still believe a man must be the head of the household because the bible something something.

Ask all the low income earners who just got free dental care if the NDP has been a disaster.
This is the problem with those of the left, anyone from the right (is wrong). How condescending your tone is. To suggest Kamala is not a socialist is naive. She even leans more left than Bernie. That’s why she didn’t spend any time talking policy, just constant Trump bashing.
 
This is the problem with those of the left, anyone from the right (is wrong). How condescending your tone is. To suggest Kamala is not a socialist is naive. She even leans more left than Bernie. That’s why she didn’t spend any time talking policy, just constant Trump bashing.
Hi - Political Scientist here (not going to name the University for privacy reasons). The bolded is categorically false. To start, if she didn't spend any time talking policy, and just Trump bashing, then how can you then proclaim her policies are socialist?

In real basic terms, socialism is public ownership of public goods and crown corporations. For example, public health - whether it is public ownership of health insurance or public ownership of the hospitals themselves - are socialist concepts. Public ownership of hydro and electricity is a socialist ideal. Saskatchewan had a public insurance option for auto insurance for a while - that was a socialist ideal. But under socialism, private corporations still exist, and the public still owns their own labour.

A lot of people will conflate socialism with communism, and even Trump used the term interchangeably in order to scare people, but communism under the original Marxist idea is the abolition of private property. Under Marxism, the means of production is property of the state, and therefore all companies would be property of the state. And as stewards of the state, it was the government's responsibility to pay people their salaries (under Marxism, everyone would be paid the same because everyone contributes to a functioning society - when put in practice, Lenin recognized that not all jobs were equal, but capped it a the highest paying job being no more than 5x the lowest paid job if I remember correctly. Lenin also had to make changes to the idea of "personal property" in order to make the concept work in practice).

None of Harris' policies were socialist. Her proposals of childcare subsidies and grants for small business owners are liberal policies at best (as even conservative governments will provide grants and forgivable loans to startups), but definitely not socialist. Bernie and AOC have been on record to support socialist policies, such as public ownernship of healthcare, so to say that Harris leans further left than Bernie is categorically untrue. If there are any policies that proposed by Harris that you feel would qualify as socialist, I would be happy to hear and debate them.

But the above is also an illustration of the double standard when it came to the two candidates. What policies did Trump have? Even when asked what his plan was to replace the Affordable Care Act, he gave his infamous "I have concepts of a plan" without ever explaining what it was. He expressed his stances, sure - deport all illegals, cut taxes, etc. But what was the plan? He just made grandiose statements, saying "millions and millions" and "billions and billions" and never gave exact numbers. How much was he cutting taxes? Would it be uniform for everyone, or vary by tax bracket? (because a 4% cut for you would be very different than a 4% cut for Elon Musk). Would he be running a deficit or would he be cutting public services like medicaid or pensions? But he didn't have to give specifics because that's what grifters do - he just kept proclaiming over and over again that America sucks and he was the only one who could fix it because he's smart and everyone would be so happy, and enough people bought into it.

It's funny as someone who studies Politics to see how often this works. Doug Ford's first campaign against Kathleen Wynne, he barely had any policy proposals. He had a few, certainly more than Trump did this cycle, but his entire campaign the first time was "vote for me, because Kathleen Wynne sucks" and the province collectively went "yeah, Kathleen Wynne sucks" and voted for him. Politics since the turn of the century has been less and less about the creation of good public policy, and more and more about (and it's odd to say this on a Leafs forum) cheering for a "team." If you can get people to cheer for your team, that's how you win elections - policy be damned, just make them hate the other team more than yours.
 
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Agreed. Definitely valid. Bernie Sanders's statement was telling: "the Democratic Party has abandoned the working class; why are we shocked the working class abandoned the party?" (paraphrased.)

Stupid. but valid.

Because jobs aren't going to matter much when we don't have a livable planet. But I guess who cares.........that's tomorrow's problem.

This has been the case for as long as I can recall - kick the can down the road. I still remember Jimmy Carter turning down the thermostats and wearing sweaters in the white house, and talking about investing in new sources of energy during the 1979 (I think) oil crisis. Of course, that only lasted until the immediate crisis was over and then everyone went back to normal. Maybe if there had been a serious effort at the time we'd be further along with renewables and less dependent on fossil fuels. Then again, maybe not.
 
This is the problem with those of the left, anyone from the right (is wrong). How condescending your tone is. To suggest Kamala is not a socialist is naive. She even leans more left than Bernie. That’s why she didn’t spend any time talking policy, just constant Trump bashing.

Not everyone on the right is wrong, just the ones that are wrong. Like you.

True or false: thousands of Haitians are eating American pets?
 
Picking a highly suspected child diddler for Attorney General is certainly a choice.

Absolutely a clown show.

I'm quite willing to call Trump supporters wrong for this. It's asinine to claim that Harris is communist/socialist. It's absolutely absurd to be claiming her policies are left of Bernie and it's a completely honest statement that you bought Trump's lies because he spent more time saying "socialist" than actually giving out policy.
 
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